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Low radioactivity seen heading towards N.America
March 17, 2011
2:49 pm
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I am curious for opinions... the below article states the radiation will hit where I live (and greeney2) late Friday -- but is low and harmless.

My question: Would authorities tell southern California IF the radiation was harmful? Imagine a mass evacuation of Los Angeles.

Source: reuters // Reuters

* Particles not normal, but not dangerous-Swedish official

* U.S. body plays down risk of contamination in country

* U.N. weather body sees "northwesterly winter monsoon"

(Adds U.N. wind forecast, edits)

By Fredrik Dahl

VIENNA, March 17 (Reuters) - Low concentrations of radioactive particles from Japan's disaster-hit nuclear power plant have been heading eastwards and are expected to reach North America in days, a Swedish official said on Thursday.

Lars-Erik De Geer, research director at the Swedish Defence Research Institute, a government agency, was citing data from a network of international monitoring stations set up to detect signs of any nuclear weapons tests.

Stressing the levels were not dangerous for people, he predicted the particles would eventually also continue across the Atlantic and reach Europe.

"It is not something you see normally," he said by phone from Stockholm, adding the results he now had were based on observations from earlier in the week. But, "it is not high from any danger point of view."

He said he was convinced they would eventually be detected over the whole northern hemisphere.

"It is only a question of very, very low activities so it is nothing for people to worry about," De Geer said.

"In the past when they had nuclear weapons tests in China ... then there were similar clouds all the time without anybody caring about it at all," he said.

He said the main movement in the air around Japan normally went from west to east, but suggested the direction occasionally changed and at times turned.

In Geneva, the U.N.'s World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) said on Thursday that a "northwesterly winter monsoon flow prevails over the eastern and northern part of Japan" and that this was expected to remain the case until around 0000 GMT.


The New York Times earlier said a forecast of the possible movement of the radioactive plume showed it churning across the Pacific, and touching the Aleutian Islands on Thursday before hitting southern California late on Friday.

It said the projection was made by the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organisation (CTBTO), a Vienna-based independent body for monitoring possible breaches of the test ban.

The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission advised on Wednesday any Americans living near Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear plant to move at least 50 miles (80 km) away but it played down the risks of contamination to the United States.

"All the available information continues to indicate Hawaii, Alaska, the U.S. Territories and the U.S. West Coast are not expected to experience any harmful levels of radioactivity," it said in a statement on Wednesday.

The CTBTO has more than 60 stations around the world which can pick up very low levels of radioactive particles such as caesium and iodine isotopes.

It continuously provides data to its member states, including Sweden, but does not make the details public.

De Geer said he believed the radioactive particles would "eventually also come here".

The New York Times said health and nuclear experts emphasized radiation would be diluted as it travelled and at worst would have extremely minor health consequences in the United States.

In a similar way, radiation from the Chernobyl disaster in 1986 spread around the globe and reached the west coast of the United States in 10 days, its levels measurable but minuscule. (Editing by Sophie Hares)

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March 17, 2011
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The government wouldn't tell us even if it were harmful. Where could we go anyway? Japs revenge.

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March 17, 2011
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All this brought up chernobal which was about as bad as it gets. The spent fuel rods in those cooling pools is getting to be the equivilant, times 6 reactors. They do have containment buildings which is the good part, but the spent rod cooling pools do not. However we do not know just how much the affect will be. Reading about Chernobal may make you feel somewhat better, as the projected results did not come true, or in the amount they thought.

I got to thinking about all the open air Atomic Bomb testing in history as a comparison. Just read up on how many huge bombs were tested in the atomosphere, especially the largest soviet test in Siberia. They scaled down a 100MT to 50MT for the test, created a fire ball 6 1/2 miles high, and a shockwave the flattened wood houses 100 miles away. 1400 time larger than both A-bombs dropped in japan, and several times more powerful than all the bombs of WW2 combined. All the bombs the USA detonated in Nevada and the south Pacific, Plus all the other tests from France, Russia and other countries. This had to emit so much more radiation that Chernobal I couldn;t imagine. The USA knew russian tests were affecting milk in Wisconson. Krucchez was such a madman, I doubt if they even tried to clear the area of testing that bomb, they probably were part of the test IMHO.

Not to make light of the Japanese reactors its very serious, but what has been the long term affects of all the open air bomb testing after all these years?

I think it is a serious concern, but I do not think the risk in the USA is too much. I wonder what happens if the cooliing pool gets so bad, they can not get anyone near all the others and all 6 go into total failure totally?

March 17, 2011
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Here are some amateur radiation tracking sites for the US:



Here is one in southern California:

http://www.enviroreporter.com/2011/03/e ... n-station/

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March 17, 2011
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Superpowers here I come!

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March 19, 2011
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Nothing is going as planned or as thought and will be, so its good
to continue to pay attention to what is happening over there.
Before we know it something else will happen.

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I think you guys will be okay.
But if I were still there I'd be taking kelp or iodine pills...just in case (for extra protection)

I don't think these plants are gonna go into an all out meltdown. Hope I am right.

My H lived near three mile island as a kid when that when down..he did get cancer..testicular when he was only thirty..lost a testicle, but kept his life
(his mom died of breats cancer(at 55..she got it at 50) and one of his sisters survived uterine cancer (at 45)..don't know if 3 mile island has any relation to it, though)

take that iodine..just in case..i say..better safe than sorry

living so close to San Onofre, you should keep that stuff on hand, anyway

it's so weird, I use to always say how stupid it was to build a nuclear plant right near a fault line..and now all this


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