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Let's bring it out about the NFL and bended knees.
October 26, 2017
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It is a lot more than a few pissed off people, ticket sales have plummeted, and viewers have turned off NFL games. They have lost a fortune. Someone did quote an NFL rule about the National Anthem, can not recall exactly what it said. 

Players contracts do in deed have clauses to uphold the image of the team, and being this has hurt the teams image, proven by the boycotting, I think a good case of breach of contract could be made against these players, persisting on protests that inflame fans and therefore reflect on the image of their team. 

Yes, advertisers can leave, and they have, and they have also pulled the endorsements of some of the players, another breach of contract, not upholding the image of those companies. They pay for their commercials based on viewing numbers, on viewers, so when players do something so offensive it affects these commercials by viewers boycotting games, the teams and NFL breached the contracts to these advertisers, by allowing behavior that results in fans boycotting games and their sponsor. It is their actions affecting what the sponsors are paying for.  

October 27, 2017
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greeney2 said
It is a lot more than a few pissed off people, ticket sales have plummeted, and viewers have turned off NFL games. They have lost a fortune. Someone did quote an NFL rule about the National Anthem, can not recall exactly what it said.

Plummeted? Most sources say otherwise.

https://www.usatoday.com/story.....715151001/

Honestly, the fact that most teams have decided to do their protesting either before the anthem or showing solidarity by linking arms/holding hands has more or less placated the masses.

Also, if you look at my previous link, you'll see that there is no NFL specific rule regarding players having to stand.

Players contracts do in deed have clauses to uphold the image of the team, and being this has hurt the teams image, proven by the boycotting, I think a good case of breach of contract could be made against these players, persisting on protests that inflame fans and therefore reflect on the image of their team.

And as it is now, there's nothing saying that upholding the image of the team includes conduct during the national anthem.

Yes, advertisers can leave, and they have, and they have also pulled the endorsements of some of the players, another breach of contract, not upholding the image of those companies. They pay for their commercials based on viewing numbers, on viewers, so when players do something so offensive it affects these commercials by viewers boycotting games, the teams and NFL breached the contracts to these advertisers, by allowing behavior that results in fans boycotting games and their sponsor. It is their actions affecting what the sponsors are paying for.

  

But the vast majority of them won't, because they still make an absurd amount of money during every game. At the end of the day, the people that are truly bothered by this are few in number - they just happen to be better yellers than the ones who couldn't care less.

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October 28, 2017
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http://www.ntd.tv/2017/09/30/n.....-protests/

 

Whatever your arguement is to support them, ticket sales, TV viewers, and public reaction has cost them dearly, and have plummeted.  So their paychecks should too, but the player are not loosing a dime, their bosses are. The above link is from Sept 30, and it has gotten worse through October. 

I do not watch a lot of team sports, but if I saw kneeling at the world series, I would have turned it off the second they did it. They all stood, they all had hands on hearts, and the 7th inning stretches have honored our flag and servicemen.  Nothing but 100% respect during the National 
Anthem.

Think we pretty much disagree on this one Wing. The numbers don't lie, the NFL has shot themselves in the foot. Jerry Jones fired the first guy who defied him telling the players, do not kneel.   

October 28, 2017
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http://www.ntd.tv/2017/09/30/n.....-protests/

Whatever your arguement is to support them, ticket sales, TV viewers, and public reaction has cost them dearly, and have plummeted.  So their paychecks should too, but the player are not loosing a dime, their bosses are. The above link is from Sept 30, and it has gotten worse through October.

And mine is from Oct. 7th, which says that ticket sales are coming back up and the league is barely affected by the counter protests.

I do not watch a lot of team sports, but if I saw kneeling at the world series, I would have turned it off the second they did it. They all stood, they all had hands on hearts, and the 7th inning stretches have honored our flag and servicemen.  Nothing but 100% respect during the National 
Anthem.

The disconnect is that people believe that the kneeling is done in some conscious attempt to disrespect people who have served, and it isn't. Other stuff that some players have done is more disrespectful, like Kaepernick wearing socks with pigs in police hats, or Lebron calling Trump a moron, or Sherman going on one of his many Twitter rants. It should be mentioned that there are many, MANY service people who support players taking a public stance on perceived wrongs.

Think we pretty much disagree on this one Wing. The numbers don't lie, the NFL has shot themselves in the foot. Jerry Jones fired the first guy who defied him telling the players, do not kneel.

   

Nothing wrong with disagreement, but the "numbers" are saying different things. Most of the evidence available right now isn't the doom and gloom like it costing them dearly and profit plummeting.

 

Also, that Jerry Jones bit is false as well. It's even more apparent considering that he led the team in taking a knee AND linking arms before the anthem -

 

https://www.snopes.com/jerry-j.....peech-911/

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October 29, 2017
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Boycotts of anything usually don't last long, or just fizzle out because nobody has the resolve to really be serious. They just want to get or have whatever it is from gasoline and coffee when the price goes up, to utilities, or to their weekend football they can not live without. We are a dumb nation, we fall for "The shortage" game, or for price increases, the minute they say "you will not get one, or have one, or go without, people rush to get it or have it. They just can not live without something, as long as they can get it, they will pay the price. If you don't believe it look at the riots and frenzy at walmart's, fighting over the last and latest video games. 

Everyone gets on the boycotting bandwaggon, as a big show, but in reality, they do not follow through.  You are probably right, ticket sales are coming back, but there is no doubt money has been lost, and image has bee tarnished. Yes Jerry Jones in the beginning locked arms with the players, but I think they figured do this for a week, it will all go away, but it did continue and continues today.  It backfired on them, you have to admit that.  

My personal feeling is I can not be bothered watching anyways, so my boycott is easy. Devout fans will not care and watch. overall hard working people recent when people with charmed lives, multimillionaires preach morality, when there own lives have get out of jail free cards, normal people don't have. Most of us are sick of celebrities doing the outrageous, and getting away with murder. I find most veterans get pretty upset when our flag is disrespected for any reason. 

Enough said on this one!

November 1, 2017
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Papa Johns has pulled their ads from the NFL, citing loss of sales due to loss of viewership on football games. Just the beginning, what til they greatly reduce superbowl ads, plus companies will not want to invest in the best superbowl commercial. That alone costs a fortune. 

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Wing-Zero said

greeney2 said

It is a lot more than a few pissed off people, ticket sales have plummeted, and viewers have turned off NFL games. They have lost a fortune. Someone did quote an NFL rule about the National Anthem, can not recall exactly what it said.

Plummeted? Most sources say otherwise.

https://www.usatoday.com/story.....715151001/

Honestly, the fact that most teams have decided to do their protesting either before the anthem or showing solidarity by linking arms/holding hands has more or less placated the masses. Ankle socken link shop.

Also, if you look at my previous link, you'll see that there is no NFL specific rule regarding players having to stand.

Players contracts do in deed have clauses to uphold the image of the team, and being this has hurt the teams image, proven by the boycotting, I think a good case of breach of contract could be made against these players, persisting on protests that inflame fans and therefore reflect on the image of their team.

And as it is now, there's nothing saying that upholding the image of the team includes conduct during the national anthem.

Yes, advertisers can leave, and they have, and they have also pulled the endorsements of some of the players, another breach of contract, not upholding the image of those companies. They pay for their commercials based on viewing numbers, on viewers, so when players do something so offensive it affects these commercials by viewers boycotting games, the teams and NFL breached the contracts to these advertisers, by allowing behavior that results in fans boycotting games and their sponsor. It is their actions affecting what the sponsors are paying for.

  

But the vast majority of them won't, because they still make an absurd amount of money during every game. At the end of the day, the people that are truly bothered by this are few in number - they just happen to be better yellers than the ones who couldn't care less.

  

 

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May 27, 2020
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Oh my, a three year old thread is back.  Love you guys.

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May 28, 2020
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Yeah, Nesaie, great to see you back again.  Missed you much and this, the third iteration within theblackwault, is now better for you being here.

 

My Grandfather fought in the Battle of the Bulge and wouldn't talk about it his whole life.  It's very disrespectful and unpatriotic to kneel when the National Anthem is being played; no matter what the intentions of the protesters, it sends a message of disrespect to the military community and those who identify with and support them.

 

Let the PrimaDonnas find there multi-million dollar dream of playing a game elsewhere, especially in the current climate.

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gudskepteacul said
Missed you much and this, the third iteration within theblackwault, is now better for you being here.  

This site is new to me. What did I miss in the first two iterations? One person commented that the forums used to be better. Why is that?

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