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Happy Veteran's Day
November 16, 2010
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WTG! Well said John Greenewald, Jr. The Black Vault Website Owner / Operator

Remember remember the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot.
I see no reason why gunpowder, treason
Should ever be forgot...

November 16, 2010
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The only one showing his ignorance here is you, John, considering you cannot prove whether that statement was a threat or not. Your response also shows that you clearly do not scope the forums to the extent that other more active members do because I do not just cut and paste articles. Secondly, I did not mean to sound threatening with that statement. You really thought I asked to meet up for punches, kicks and stabs? Honestly? Internet Hero Complex, methinks. You should be able to address the points the article highlights. Your decision to bully me into shame reflects immaturity as well. If any investigator were to evaluate that statement, they would indeed laugh at you. If you really do think I present a threat, then be relieved to know that I DO NOT KNOW where your Dad lives. Goodness 🙄

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November 16, 2010
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Don't worry John , most of us here already knew his disdain for our brave men , and women in the military.

It's sick that he is ok with what he pasted. But I for one am not suprised. Thats what happens when you have been givin everything in life, and never had to fight for anything. You have no love for you're own country Aquarian, and you are a spoiled brat.

But we already knew that.

I would suggest next time you want to bash our military, go to one of the bases and try posting that on their bulletin board. Oh , thats right you don't have the balls. 🙄

BloodStone...

If it were raining hookers, I'd get hit by a fag.

November 16, 2010
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I didn't know you regard reactionary violence with such high honor and respect.

Of course, what else can I expect from Semper Fi mentality...

The Few assume to be the deputies, but they are often only the despoilers of the Many.
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November 16, 2010
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"Aquarian" wrote: If only there was a reason to actually thank a veteran. The only thing foreign involvement has brought to this earth was an expansion of empire, establishment of American hegemony, aggression, rape, pillaging and state-sanctioned genocide.

We’ve all seen the bumper stickers: “My son is in the Air Force,” “If You Can Read This in English, Thank a Marine,” “Proud Vietnam Veteran,” “Fly Navy,” and of course, “Thank a Vet.”

Why should we?

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It is high time that Americans stop holding veterans and current members of the military in such high esteem. It is scientists, engineers, inventors, businessmen, industrialists, software developers, and entrepreneurs that made America great – not veterans of foreign wars. It is doctors, iron workers, taxi drivers, bricklayers, writers, electricians, and cooks that positively contribute to society – not soldiers.

I would like to be able to thank a vet – on Veterans Day and every other day of the year – but I’m still searching for a reason.

http://www.infowars.com/thank-a-vet/

I have never been in the military. Hardly anyone in my family has been in the military. I am totally not the military kind of guy. Though I do believe war is inevitable and in some cases unavoidable and called for, I hate war. But then again, who loves war? Nobody I know.

So I am not a military guy and I don't get a smile on my face when someone goes to war.

But I have to say to you Aquarian; that was perhaps the most offensive post I have ever seen on this website. I find it utterly repugnant. What a complete and total disrespect for every soldier that has been injured, affected mentally, lost a limb, or died defending their country.

I find more honor in a fanatic Muslim fighting for their cause, than I find in that post, its author, or anyone who copies and pastes that post publicly.

What is completely obvious to the rest of us is, the pacifist, fanatic Progressive Liberals have pounced upon your already left-leaning mind and completely brainwashed you into hating anything good. You belong in cult status. ❗

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November 17, 2010
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"Aquarian" wrote: The only one showing his ignorance here is you, John, considering you cannot prove whether that statement was a threat or not.

I openly apologize. After re-reading, I see you clearly said that in the same context you probably did when you were in third grade, muttering "You... me... flag pole... 3 o'clock." I forgot that is textbook hey I will buy you a coke. But here, x years later, you mean a beer.

"Aquarian" wrote: Your response also shows that you clearly do not scope the forums to the extent that other more active members do because I do not just cut and paste articles.

Please re-read my post. I didn't say always, I said in this post.

"Aquarian" wrote: Secondly, I did not mean to sound threatening with that statement. You really thought I asked to meet up for punches, kicks and stabs? Honestly? Internet Hero Complex, methinks.

Internet Hero Complex? Yes, I really think the digital world needs saving from you. So I threw on my cape, and strapped on my super-hero gloves, and I whisked my way into the cyber world for digital battle. Shoot, I was caught red fingered as I type that.

"Aquarian" wrote: You should be able to address the points the article highlights. Your decision to bully me into shame reflects immaturity as well. If any investigator were to evaluate that statement, they would indeed laugh at you. If you really do think I present a threat, then be relieved to know that I DO NOT KNOW where your Dad lives. Goodness 🙄

The article highlights false reasoning, highlights anti-american and anti-war drivel, and it highlights the ignorance behind the details of the conflicts mentioned. To compare each conflict from World War I on is, in my humble opinion, utterly pointless and meaningless.

But, yes, after re-reading my post, I clearly see I was "bullying" you. That is, if COMMENTING on your post, your motives, and your misguided ideology on Veteran's Day is "bullying." But please, enlighten the class, "bullying" into what? An apology? I never asked for one. Uhhh... to back down? Uhhh... nope. To not talk? Nope. To respect? Well, it'd be nice... but we clearly won't get that. So I asked you to at least try and recognize that. So, all I asked... errr apparently "bullied" was to have some decency to realize other people have beliefs other than your own. But that is a deep concept, I know.

And no, I clearly (please re-read a third time) never say 'you' were a threat. I said your insinuated 'threats' were immature. There is a difference. If I thought you were a true threat, trust me, I wouldn't have even responded, nor would you even have access to this board.

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November 17, 2010
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Sadly, just today, they buried the Riverside Policeman, you may have read about, where a truck driver he stopped, somehow got his gun and shot him in the head. The news had the cop car video of the killer getting back into his truck, he was arrested, in possession of the policemans gun, and guess what? A 6 time convicted felon, out on parole. Guess what else Aquarian, the policeman was also a veteran for 2 tours of duty to Afganistan, and was honored with eulogies from the chief of Police, the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corp, and others including his Father. His pallbarers were policman on one side, and military on the other, being honored as the great american he was, who served his country with honor, and also as a policeman. Hundreds of active military, veterans, coworkers and military brothers, and hundreds of policman lined the path of the casket, and all saluted his body passing. The outpouring from the public shows how tragic it is he could survive war and combat, and end up being killed in the neighborhood he protected.

He was a great American and a great man, whos life was cut short for all of us.

You want to spout off you can't think of any reason to thank any veteran for anything, be my guest. Its only what we expect from people we regard as dispicable in this life. You are in good company, enjoy it, because its about all you will ever be. Most people don't achieve the status of dispicable until they reach some ripe age in which life turned them into bitter, hateful and miserable souls. With your lack of any character, honor, or lack shame you have an excellent start. I can't imagine you allow yourself to let your parents see the way you act.

November 17, 2010
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Personal attacks aside, I think this country needs a genuine and serious discussion about the lionization of veterans. We have to see it in the context of who exactly were these individuals safeguarding when they decided to embark on their military venture. I will recognize that most veterans probably join because of a combination of "patriotism", belief in what the country does is always noble, perhaps economic despotism, along with other psychological factors, but it is high time to really have a serious discussion about why they were sent to do what they did. No war, in my opinion, since the American Revolutionary War, ever been fought for our freedoms, which, according to the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, and our Constitution, is inherent. To think that a veteran of the Vietnam War fought to defend rights which we were born with is ludicrous. We can also look at World War II and see how that was a war that we willingly got involved in. Sure, one may cite the Japanese attack on Peal Harbor as one of the main reasons, but if one is to read Pearl Habor: The Mother of all Conspiracies, one will see that not only did we receive warning after warning about an impending Japanese attack on a U.S. naval base, but the reason why the Japanese did what they did is also revealed. The U.S., using economic tyranny as its hammer and nail, nearly strangulated the Japanese population with its draconian oil embargo which had very little effect on the political elite (arguably the oppressors of Japan), but resulted in the impoverishment of millions. The Cold War, which comprises the Vietnam, Korean, Cambodia, Laos, etc. resulted in millions of deaths, many of whom were civilians of the peasant population (Asia has a high peasantry population) . The US government dedicated the lives of hundreds of thousands of soldiers just so they can prove an ideological point: That Capitalism is superior to Soviet-styled Communism. And now we have ventures in the Middle-East whose cosmetic reasoning involves a farce about weapons of mass destruction, some leader being a threat to another or the US, mushroom clouds of disaster, and now the new "global threat": Radical Islam (just like Communism was back in the day during the Red Scare). Soldiers were sent to safeguard geostrategic interests; interests that would supplant the national self-determination of those countries the US invaded, burnt to the ground, and essentially trapped to the point of deperation. Its the infamous problem-reaction-solution concept. The US comes in with a reason to come in, destroys the country because of its military bombardment, destroys infrastructure, kills civilians, divides people, displaces thousands/millions, and those who are living have only the US to take them out of their rut. Its right in line with dependency theory. Create "satellite" states the same way the Soviet Union did after World War II and any crafting of government or parliament will be under the behest of the US government. Concessions will be done at the behest of the US government and elites will be chosen at the behest of the US government (ex: De-Baathification in Iraq). We have to look at this through a serious lens and stop emotionally reacting to comments that question what is basically a jingoistic holiday; an opportunity to gloat about American Empire and the millions who died to prop that empire.

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November 17, 2010
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So it never occurs to you as even a remote possibility, that the US can go to war in order to keep itself safe?

Must every war we have ever entered into, been solely about expanding our empire and dominating the rest of the world?

And is it just the US with evil intentions, and not any of the other countries we fought against?

To say war is evil, you have to hold every country accountable; even the ones that are defending themselves. Because whether you choose to believe it or not, a country can aggressively defend itself.

Should I wait until a swarm of hornets stings me before I destroy the nest that dangles over my front door? Should I refuse to lay out ant poison or termite poison until my house is taken over or destroyed by the pests?

Should the US sit back and wait for a true threat to cross into our borders and start taking lives before we do something about it?

Even if you disagree with the whole idea of preemptive strike, the fact is, it's a matter of debate whether or not it's defensive and has honorable intent. And furthermore, there is much more honor and love in the US coming to the aid of its allies--than the alternative which you prefer which is, we sit on our hands and let them be destroyed.

Again, it's not correct to think that every blow delivered by the US is an unprovoked act of aggression. It's just not true.

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November 17, 2010
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Hello Aquarian,

Welcome back to the world of posting, and not cut and paste insulting.

Bottom line is you clearly have a problem with the politicians in Washington, the man who pulls the theoretical trigger so to speak... not the brave men and women who literally pull it. THAT is a HUGE difference.

Although you have a lot of little points to comment on, and each and every one of those could be a thread in itself, I will go ahead and comment on the over all tone.

I respectfully disagree no war since the Revolution has been fought for our Freedom. Although we have high defensive walls here on our borders (not high enough) we sometimes need to intervene on foreign conflicts and situations that seem to not have anything to do with us -- but through the smoke and fire -- has everything to do with us.

Do you really think if we did not participate in the wars that we did, nothing would've been different in America? That's where I respectfully disagree. It may not seem we were fighting for our freedoms when soldiers die overseas on soil that isn't ours, but we were. To let opressive world leaders and war-mongering dictators go unchallenged, their strength grows. When a world super-power like our own, which values it's freedom, let's other countries go down in flames, only to rebuild themselves into more of an evil empire, would be a HUGE threat to our freedom.

My example: Adolf Hitler himself. He went largely unchallenged, and was free to roam around Europe -- tearing coutrnies down, and rebuilding them as part of his Nazi empire. He conquered and conquered, and was met nearly unchallenged.

Are you to say we did the right to let Hitler do that, and we should've never taken him out of power? Are you saying our freedoms were unchallenged during those dark times, even prior to us being bombed at Pearl Harbor? Come on, you know as well as I, that we should've intervened years prior to when we did. Our freedoms were in jeopardy then, as they were after Pearl Harbor, as they are now.

How would our world be different, or maybe just American soil be different, if we didn't take Saddam out of power in Iraq? Did we have false intelligence? Yes. Did we not find the infamous WMD's? No. But does that really matter? The world is a better place, and I'm sorry, but our freedoms are a bit stronger without Hussein in power. If we let him run rampant, what would've happened? WMDs aside, come on, his thirst for expansion would've festered, and probably was festering, just like Hitler's. If we let that pot stew into global expansion, even if it was just as fair as Kuwait, and the Persian gulf, our FREEDOMS would one day be threatened.

So yes, we do fight for our freedoms in these horrific wars we fight. I don't support "war" in itself, but I support the honor in sacrifice that our men and women are doing under the stars and stripes we call our American flag defending the freedom you and I enjoy every day. The fact that I can say I don't like our President... the fact that I can obtain once classified government documents... the fact that I wake up every morning to birds singing, and not bombs going off; is all evidence to the blood, sweat and tears that have been shed in former conflicts for those freedoms... whether it be on our soil, or theirs.

Fight the politicians (in a non-violent way) against their policies. That's your right as an American -- the Freedom of Speech. But don't excersize that right against the people who are fighting for that right... they just didn't drive over there on their own accord to blow something up because they could.

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