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Nesaie
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December 4, 2011 - 5:35 am
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Nobody here is talking about this bill, passed by the senate-whores and about to be signed by barry. Senate bill #1867:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/.....112:S.1867:

For one take on it:

http://www.naturalnews.com/034291_SB_18 ... error.html

In otherwords, your "Constitutionally Abiding Representatives" continue to claim there is no Constitution or Bill of Rights. They are mostly owned and payed for by the banksters. AKA, indoor slaves...another term may be an "uncle tom".

Anyway, this gives license to murder Americans, anywhere on this planet, even in this "free" us-of-a, to the usurper, barry sateoro.

I want my Republic back, and all those and you who have excused these criminals or supported them, I want all to be brought to Real Justice.

Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen... - Zbigniew Brezhinsky

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December 4, 2011 - 7:52 pm
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Senate bill 1867 first has 2 different versions. Each one is about a mile and a half long with many sections discussing many military issues. I seriously doubt Nasaie, you have actually read the entire Bill from top to bottom.

Please tell us the section number this is found in, and show us the exact wording that implies murdering people.

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December 4, 2011 - 9:28 pm
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Already a thread on this that I posted like, five days ago.

Edit: Greeney, I posted all the info you'd like, Section number and everything, in my thread.

Edit 2: Found it, so you two don't have to strain yourselves. ūüėČ ūüėÄ

topic6512.html

War is an extension of economics and diplomacy through other means.

Economics and diplomacy are methods of securing resources used by humans.

Securing resources is the one necessary behavior for all living things.

War = Life

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December 5, 2011 - 12:15 am
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Senate bill 1867 states nothing remotly close to the link Nasaie provides. Their claims are total horsecrap, it does not say or imply anything of the kind, and in fact excludes US citizens or Legal aliens that are here. It clearly in section 1031 defines those affected, which basically is any al Queda operatives, or Taliban responsible in any part of 911, or to those involved in current terrorist acts.

This Boloney of authorizing the murder of anyone Nasaie is preposterous, and the Bill does not say anything that would tell you that. Like I said, read the Bill. Wing Zero had previously posted information on it, and it clearly states "US citizens are not included it the affected groups".

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December 5, 2011 - 12:35 am
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Looking again, I forgot to put the .pdf up. Laugh

War is an extension of economics and diplomacy through other means.

Economics and diplomacy are methods of securing resources used by humans.

Securing resources is the one necessary behavior for all living things.

War = Life

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December 5, 2011 - 2:17 am
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Great work on this Wing Zero. This is what infuriates me about the internet, it is full of false accusations that people believe Hook, line and sinker, without confirming it. Conspriacy theorists that think they know what something says, and find out nobody has read a thing, they are off to the races half cocked, denigrating their country and representatives. How they got the claim they could kill any citizen anyplace out of this, or kill talk show hosts, its ridiculous.

All because one person reads something, they beleive it, and get outraged, like you did Nasaie, and spread it like a rumor that is Gospel. You keep blabbering about your republic gone, and your imagination you are oppressed, this is a good example of trash people sell their country and President out over, and they never read a word of the actual Bill.

What part of a Republic and Democracy do you make for everyone else by feeding into these concocted ideas, that have no truth? You herd it, you believed it, and you brought it to a message board of 7500 people professing it is the truth.

This board is supose to be about finding the truth, but that all fails when the real truth is not the deep dark secret everyone wants it to be. What did you say to me for thinking their was a logical explanation to the young girl with the purse detained. You told me I was supporting another Nazi Fasist Germany.

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December 5, 2011 - 5:11 am
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I go off half-cocked nine times out of ten. When I first saw this I was infuriated. I'm still angry because I know that if given the chance Congress would pass more explicit bills that would actually include stuff like Nesaie is saying. It easy to get swept up in the sensationalism of it all and who knows; I could still be completely wrong and something ground shattering could show up with this bill.

No need to write anyone off yet.

War is an extension of economics and diplomacy through other means.

Economics and diplomacy are methods of securing resources used by humans.

Securing resources is the one necessary behavior for all living things.

War = Life

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December 5, 2011 - 7:37 am
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I feel we've always only had the "Illusion" of freedom anyway..for a long time.

it's a give and take..a choice we make to live in an "orderly society"(or, at least, theillusion of one)..it when extremes take over..on either side..as they are trying to do now..that trouble starts.

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

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December 5, 2011 - 8:33 am
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I'm sorry but that link from Nasaie, clearly calls out section 1031 of the Bill and clearly makes up an intrupitation that is completly a whopper. It is such a total exageration, and complete lie it is pathetic. Those that would be the target is clearly defined, and also clearly defined is it did not apply to American citizens or legal immigrants. They talk about shooting people in the head and running them over with military tanks, completly ridiculous.

I think it is irresponsible to continue spreading crap like this, insighting unnessesary fear and hate for the country, when not a schread of it is true. We have enough social problems now, economic, and the last thing we need is this kind of lies. Maybe the question should be who is behind this, and why people are so eager to feed into it? Some people, like Nasaie only want to believe the worst, and only want to brand anyone who may defend, that these things are simply not true.

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December 5, 2011 - 9:14 am
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I, pretty much, agree, (no offense, Ness..you are entitled to your opinion))especially when paranoia is running high right now..and a scary tipping point tries to come closer...

people think they hate order..like kids not wanting boundries, but people need some order..just like kids need boundaries

it's a balancing act

we need to not become the police state that we seem to be heading towards(utter constriction)..but we do not want to become Somolia or Afghanistan, either(utter chaos)

Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams

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