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October 31, 2009 - 8:48 pm
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Once again she opens her mouth and nothing comes out but lies. Union workers are not lazy and work as hard as anyone. Maybe the people in your area are just lazy or high on dope.

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So billy, why is Boeing called the "lazy B"?

Here is an article for you.

Unmentioned but hanging over Boeing’s latest announced 787 delay is the company’s ongoing challenge to the awarding of the Air Force tanker contract, which went to rivals Northrop/Airbus. The Lazy B’s newest admission it can’t make a self-set deadline to produce the new Dreamliner bolsters the AF concern that Boeing can’t keep its production promises — one of the concerns the government aired in explaining why it valued the Airbus bid over Boeing.

Here is a company claim from April for why they're late on the 787, due to outsourcing.

Once more, the primary cause was Boeing’s supposedly cost-effective production strategy of importing sections of the plane from around the globe and putting it all together in Everett. Says Scott Carlson, head of Boeing Commerical in Seattle:

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailywee ... effect.php

Today they're claiming that it is due to unions. That is the reason they expanded to South Carolina. It is a NON-union shop. Believe what you will about unions. Some are good and some are crap. They've done some good things in the past, but they're also a socialistic idea.

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As far as "highly skilled"... I can turn levers and screwdrivers too.

The town drunk isn't a gourmet chef, because he knows how to refill his shot glass!

Any fool can use a screwdriver, but you don't put any fool on a final assembly line building critical aerospace parts, rocket engines, and manned space flight hardware, because he learned lefty losey-righty tighty in the cub scouts.

Taken from an artical about Seattle:

Prior to moving its headquarters to Chicago, aerospace manufacturer Boeing (#27) was the largest company based in Seattle. Its largest division is still headquartered in nearby Renton, and the company has large aircraft manufacturing plants in Everett and Renton, so it remains the largest private employer in the Seattle metropolitan area.

Boeing didn't get where it is today with lazy people, believe what ever you want to, I know better, and I know the difference between the world inside Boeing divisions, and its people, from the sweat shops that recent us and talk shit about how we work.

The only reason job shops do like to hire laid off aerospace workers is they have 5 year recall rights, and they know when it happens, they are going to loose them. Rightfully so for many reasons which is a subject in itself. They want their skill level for half he money, and recent it when a company is wiling to recall them, at the scale they should be earning.

You only proove my point in your own words about how Boeing moving will affect Seattle. You said it yourself, when they moved, that was the reason the restraunt went out of business. They lost the Boeing business that made their rent. Boeing provided jobs in their own plants, but they subcontracted to your local businesses 20% required minimum, probably impoved half of your city with highways, convention centers, schools, and housing. Its called "creating commerce", so when a big company leaves an area, it always hurts many people. Part of the commerce is the growth of shopping centers and places to eat, when companies like Beoing create the need for thousands of new homes. Small restraunts spring up around the plants, and have a big lunch crowd business, as well as having their banquet rooms used all the time, for all kinds of things. Small meetings, retirement parties, company club meetings, association monthly meetings, you name it, their business is mainly Beoing functions.

Talk all the boloney you want to, I know better about what Boeing has ment to your area. I know what big companies do for communities, I know the kinds of money they give to charities, all from employee donation programs Nasaie. Boeings "Donate once club", employees alone, out of payroll deductions each week probably donate Millions each year to as many as a hundred different charities. I know because I've done it, and read the lists of reciepients in my area. They include everything from hospitals and schools, to medical research, victims of violent crimes, musuems, major grants, all the major charities,scouts, etc. Aside from that are other civic matters Boeing itself pays for. Boeing pays and all employees for doing jury duty, are active in community affairs, and do things like major grants for your museums or other cultural centers for art, city improvments, etc. Major grants to Colleges for a particular department or research grant. They promote all kinds of education programs. They inject millions of dollars into all sorts of things you probably don;t even know they were part of.

You don;t have the slightest idea what things they have done for your community. If you take a real look at what Boeing has done for Seattle since WW2, you wouldn;t be saying such ignorant statements about the people who work there.

All Aerospace contracts always have and always will be overbudget and behind schedule, its just part of aerospace. Its usually becasue of customer changes and funding problem, not laziness. Boeing Executives were severly punished by the Defence Department over an ethics problem by 2 people, involved with bidding on a contract, who were fired over it. The loss of contracts was a punishment of that insodent. Who got punished in the end? Your Seattle area, when a contract when elsewhere--but you said it wouldn't matter at all to Seattle!

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Just when you think one of the most job providing companies in your area is the war machine and does nothing good for the world but kill people, they leave your state for one that wants them. If I had nothing to do but sit in the bar all day getting tanked, I wouldn;t care, I'd even be happy about, and go down to the plant gate and call all the laid off workers murderers. Don't complain when your housing value plumets, and you end up looking like Detroit.

 

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By DANIEL LOVERING and GEORGE TIBBITS, Associated Press Writers Daniel Lovering And George Tibbits, Associated Press Writers – 8 mins ago

SEATTLE – Boeing Co. will open a second assembly line for its long-delayed 787 jetliner in South Carolina, expanding beyond its longtime manufacturing base in Washington state to take advantage of economic incentives and a nonunion work force.

The Chicago-based airplane maker said Wednesday it chose the site in North Charleston over Everett, Wash., because it best suited plans to boost production of the highly anticipated jet, designed to carry up to 250 passengers.

The decision ended an interstate competition for the huge factory, with South Carolina prevailing over the state where Boeing has built airplanes for decades. It hands South Carolina production of a plane crucial to Boeing's future but one plagued by problems stemming partly from the company's reliance on suppliers spanning the globe.

South Carolina offered Boeing $170 million in incentives and relief from sales taxes on things like fuel used in test flights.

The move wasn't entirely unexpected. Boeing already operates a factory in North Charleston that makes 787 parts and owns a 50-percent stake in another plant that also produces sections of the plane, Boeing's best-selling new aircraft to date.

About 55 airlines have ordered some 840 of the planes since the program was launched in 2003 — far more than any other Boeing plane at the same stage of development.

Boeing also has long complained about the business climate in Washington and frequent strikes by production workers. At Boeing's plant in North Charleston, workers last month voted against continued representation by the International Association of Machinists. Packing and moving companies near me gj moving.  North Carolina, Kansas, Texas and California were also viewed a competitors for the plant. But Boeing said last week it had narrowed the choices to Washington and South Carolina. Boeing ultimately could decide to move all 787 production away from Everett, said analyst Scott Hamilton of Leeham Co. The failure of Boeing and the union to reach a no-strike agreement meant Charleston was "a foregone conclusion."

More ominously, Boeing is expected to decide in three to five years on replacement planes for its best-selling 737 and 777 models and where they will be built.
"Over the course of the next decade and-a-half you could see Boeing being just a shadow of itself here," he said, referring to Washington.

Everett is the site of Boeing's commercial aircraft division, where the company has assembled early versions of the 787. Last year, a walkout by union machinists there and at other sites in Washington forced the company to shut its commercial plane operations for eight weeks.

Unlike Boeing's other commercial jets, the 787 will be built mostly from lightweight carbon composite parts instead of aluminum. As a result, the 787 will be more efficient, quieter and have lower emissions than other airplanes, Boeing says. The mid-size plane will include wider seats and aisles, and larger windows.

Boeing has relied on suppliers to build huge sections of the plane that are later assembled in Everett. But that approach so far has proved problematic, with ill-fitting parts and other glitches hampering production.

Boeing has postponed the plane's inaugural test flight and deliveries five times, putting it more than two years behind schedule. The delays have cost Boeing credibility and billions of dollars in anticipated costs and penalties.

The company could break ground in South Carolina as soon as next month, with the first 787 slated to leave the factory in the first quarter of 2012. The company aims to produce 10 of the planes a month by 2013. By comparison, it makes about 31 of its 737s and seven of its popular 777s a month.

South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford called the plant a "monumental" investment that will spur the state's already-growing aerospace hub.

In Washington, meanwhile, Gov. Chris Gregoire said she and other officials would work hard to land future, larger Boeing projects.

She said the decision came down to Boeing's rocky relationship with the Machinists union and a failure to reach a no-strike deal.

"I'm disappointed, I'm angry, I hurt for the workers and I think the company made the wrong decision," she said. "But I wasn't at the table."

The Machinists' international president, Tom Buffenbarger, denied Boeing's decision was based on concerns over future strikes.

"Corporate decisions like this are years in the making, and this one is no different."

  

 

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