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March 25, 2010
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Suggestion keep an eye on this story: Woman X or X Woman in the 30000BP -50000BP range, it's my opinion we still have living cousins who look enough like us that we don't even know they are there, but they may well know they aren't us. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/03/ ... a-siberia/

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/sc ... 00812.html

March 26, 2010
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"Aquatank" wrote: Oldest known porn 7200BP discovered circa 2005, Not how this is also the oldest known male depiction as well.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/ap ... ts.germany

I need to find a visual of this, especially since you say it is the oldest known.
I'd like to see how this compares to other stone figures. What are you defining as porn and not porn? Because of this specific depiction?

You're really going to like Gambutas' book, one of the controversies is that she says there is paleolitic writing of a sort on some of the items, while her detractors casually dismiss the claims.

Yep- I can't wait to get into it. I'm sure its reading material I'll really get into. I'm moving in to my new place next friday, I'll be able to order it.

My opinion is this if one can draw, that means one has made a symbolic connection, hence the move from that to telling an idea through drawing is quite simple,

Laugh Yeah thats what I would think just the same, however I understand how hard conclusions like that can be to make for those time periods. Its simple for you to understand, but look how difficult for others just to make that connection. I'm sure to them it was monumentous at times. I'd like to think that even if they are simple markings on objects, their minds were very wondrous/creative/imaginative to the meaning.

hence a system of writing was probably around, how good it was at communicating the intended thought is a different matter, even in todays writing a simple poem can get some very odd interpertations.

Yeah even today it is like that, just in different terms. At times however, I do believe we are able to encapture the entire creative intent behind what is being conveyed, and at other times, we are not, because it is places our imagination has not been.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

March 26, 2010
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"Aquatank" wrote: Suggestion keep an eye on this story: Woman X or X Woman in the 30000BP -50000BP range, it's my opinion we still have living cousins who look enough like us that we don't even know they are there, but they may well know they aren't us. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/03/ ... a-siberia/

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/sc ... 00812.html

Thats one heck of a heads up, thanks. 😎 Now did they just discover someone that will give more answers into the rhnegative factor, for these 5% or more of the population whom believe they are more evolved? I'm teasin of course.
hmm lets stay posted on this, its absolutely amasing news...and I don't want to miss the first few things that come from it.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
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“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

March 26, 2010
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I'm being overly simplistic , and not terribly serious in defining it as porn: as a depiction of humans copulating or similuated copulation. Having seen depictions all my life I can say there is: "Bikinis don't count that not porn", oh nude art, beautiful, blah, holy cow thats hot, bizarrely hot, bizarre and the "who does something that despicably unspeakable mean" and various other degrees. I realize for some all of its lumped into the unspeakable category though.

The statue itself looks a bit like dung, though it clearly isn't. In point fact it looks like two people lying down and hugging. Falling under my silly categories as "afternoon soap opera porn" or "museum art porn" see article has pic
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/1 ... 03418.html

March 27, 2010
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Here you think it looks a bit like dung, and I'd be inclined to agree, and one man in the article states 'these people were clearly obsessed with sex'- and the figure is close to microscopic. I like your descriptions along with 'and various other degrees' Laugh
😕 lol Oh that was funny to read.

“Living backwards!” Alice repeated in great
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“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

March 27, 2010
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Certain terms are too generalized, and sometimes the generalizations within certain groups become "bad words". It becomes a problem in Anthropology that people outside science generalize terms without fully understanding them. Missing Link, Caveman, Theory, Witch, and so on and so on. So sometimes we are talking about a Form (as in Platonic Forms) and some people will automatically see the Form only in the extremes with no in betweens. Take the Form: Chair all chairs are different, but some people may only recognize Dinner Chair and Recliner as a proper chairs with all the less being less than chairs. But if the Form is Human, things get complicated. The same applies to art, inside the art world the definitioning things like form, movement, contrast, texture, color outside in the general populace its either art or not art, and hence if its not art what is it? I remember in art class there was in the artworld and the general populace a debate long ago whether photography was a legitimate art, in the end the artworld said yes it is. I think the debate is still out in the public though, because the real answer is yeah its art but there are a whole range of degrees from High art to really cruddy art.

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Yes I understand partially your point- I say partial, because its obvious to most people, I can take things way out of ordinary context and misapply terms to fit my own interpretations. Meaning sometimes physical properties alone don't regulate how I categorize things. Just thinking of a chair, someone like myself would starting thinking of all the possible physical properties along with all possible uses, meanings for uses....etc etc etc. and pretty soon I have a hot mess of connect the dots that just doesn't like to end.

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astonishment. “I never heard of such a thing!”
“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
memory works both ways.”
— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

March 28, 2010
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That was always the problem with Platonic Form, Plato was trying to create a perfect abstract of the corporeal as if it were number. Just doesn't quite work. I remember hearing a thing on the news once about some highschool students who were asked what Chernoyble was and a large percentage answered the long word form of Chair, this was only about two years after the event if I recall correctly. And there in lies the problem Platonic Forms aren't really metaphysical abstracts as he thought but linguistic constructs that rely on a socially agreed upon shared definition. Without that kind of understanding, people end up being like those kids.

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"Aquatank" wrote: Suggestion keep an eye on this story: Woman X or X Woman in the 30000BP -50000BP range, it's my opinion we still have living cousins who look enough like us that we don't even know they are there, but they may well know they aren't us. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/03/ ... a-siberia/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Hey I keep thinking about this- Have you come accross anything new, any new information??
Keeps running through my head, I'll take a look as well, I haven't wanted to lose the flow of info on this one.

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“—but there’s one great advantage in it, that one’s
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— Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

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Nah, not lately, my mind has been on the county fairand work, and neices and nephews

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