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John Franks
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February 8, 2019 - 2:32 am
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Over the course of human history, we have used lower lifeforms as guinea pigs, and pets. Our species considers itself the highest evolved on our planet. However, what would space faring species see us as?

We have read about or seen stories involving those who have experienced the abduction phenomenon (or in some cases experienced them first hand) - with wild stories, many of which involve some sort of medical tests or procedures. We have also heard of animal mutilations and other strange occurrences that cannot be easily explained.

What we should see however, is our species at a crossroad - we have been doing the same things to lower lifeforms with no regards to the well being of these creatures, or possibly against the choices these creatures would make if they had the opportunity to express them. In almost every abduction story, regardless of the fear that was involved, the aliens have been far more humane in their experiments then we have with the creatures we conduct experimentation on.

If these alien encounters are occurring , how can we rationally condemn them for what they are doing, when we go about doing the same things to lesser life forms on our planet?

Most records show that while there is some experimentation and procedures done, the people involved walk away with all their body parts and little to no side effects. Much of what has happened, has been removed from memory - probably to protect the individual from extreme psychological damage. We fear what we do not understand, and history proves that we are dangerous to those things we fear. Since they are far more advanced then we are - to take the time and erase the memories of terrifying experiences, means they are concerned about the person or how the person would reflect on them. I cannot see this as a mal-intended purpose, but one of thoughtful reasoning.

Thoughts anyone?

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February 8, 2019 - 3:37 pm
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Lol in my opinion,only someone who isn't going through it would have such an opinion. That's all I'll say about that. ūüôā¬† sorry let me rephrase that, nobody going through what I am with it, would have that opinion. ūüôā

It's better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction. H.S.

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February 9, 2019 - 12:36 am
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Jamie

Im sorry if my post appeared as if I do not have compassion for anyone's personal experiences, it was not intended that way. The moral and ethical implications for this were not part of my questions or message, but rather the value systems that we have vs species that are not part of our own world. If anything, its a question of our own methods and opinions and our practices with lower lifeforms.

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February 9, 2019 - 6:13 am
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John,  the difference is so in your face it's blinding. We don't have the ability to tell a bear, what we are doing and why, if we could, we would.

These beings have the ability to tell us everything, and have chosen to ignore common respect for another. It's a choice for them.

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John, I should also say, this is the only reason I'm angry at all. If they( whoever it is)knocked on my door, and explained what they were doing and why, I'd probably let them.  It's the assumed right to do it that pisses me off.:-)

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I understand what you are saying, I really do. However, what lesser creature - if they were able to refuse experimentation or being subjected to anything outside of their natural habitat, would agree to our interests? At that point it would then become force and subjugation.

We could very well be in the same state of processing. And if we look at the terrible experiments that we have performed on our lower lifeforms, well - the evidence out there that we have speaks for itself. 

Granted, now a days, some of the animal testing has become more 'humane' from days past, but it does not change the terrible suffering that still exists in creatures that have no voice, and if they did have a voice - would it really change what we do to them if it benefited our goals or needs?

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John,In my opinion, the fact you would ask that seriously, shows where you're at. If any being, intelligent enough to converse with you, says no, the answer is no, move on. No experiment.

The fact, that there could even be a reason good enough for you says volumes. In my opinion.:-)

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Jamie said
John,In my opinion, the fact you would ask that seriously, shows where you're at. If any being, intelligent enough to converse with you, says no, the answer is no, move on. No experiment.

The fact, that there could even be a reason good enough for you says volumes. In my opinion.:-)  

Jamie

I believe you're rendering the topic towards your own personal experiences - in which case there is no argument, and I admire your strength to come forward. The questions and curiosities I have brought forward however are not designated to any specific personal experiences but rather the issue as a whole. 

We have no other lifeform on this planet to converse with, therefore there will never be a no in a language we can decipher - but who is to say that the no does not exist. Or that the no was misinterpreted as some other gesture or meaning. 

We see ourselves as 1. A singularity in comprehensive understanding on this planet. Other creatures do not provide nor demonstrate our cognitive skills; nor our scientific endeavors. If we think,  for even a moment , that our demonstrations in scientific endeavors could out mast other sentient intelligence in the cosmos - then we have only proven our superiority complex, not intelligence. 

Beings from distant planets could see our vocalizations and reactions to being nothing more than we see mammalian squabble in monkeys from a predator violating their space.

I don't think your reaction is purposely geared towards my questions as much as it is from personal experiences. And if the original message has touched sensitive points in your experiences I do apologize. But my original propositions still stand, how can we look at these tests/evaluations/experiments as any less than what we have done to lesser lifeforms?

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February 9, 2019 - 3:58 pm
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John, of course I'm basing my opinion on my experience. As a human being.

You can tell a mans humanity, by how he treats lesser beings.

If this is true of us "lesser beings," what does it say of them?

You have an opinion, like everyone, that isn't experiencing it themselves.You're an expert swimmer that never got into the pool. Deal with this for a day and you might be able to comprehend what you're talking about. ūüôā Until then, your opinion means just that.

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I have not voiced my personal experiences - that does not mean I haven't had them. The post was focussed around a broader aspect of why, rather than individual perceptions or personal experiences. While you may be able to account to your experiences, perhaps even with great acuity; it still will not propose any reasoning. Nor does it answer why you, and not some other person down the street. Were you chosen for a good reason, or a bad reason. And if your memories are fragmented or even missing, how can you come to the conclusion that you didn't agree with procedures - but just have no recollection of the agreements. 

There are too many possibilities here to blanket everything with personal experiences you have had vs. a broader perspective towards what is going on - which is what I was presenting. To me, that speaks in abundance where your thoughts terminate.

And yes, you can tell a man's humanity by how he treats lesser beings. But we are not talking about  mankind's humanity here - nor should we assume that distant beings should or would share our reasoning. I guess it's a really good thing that we didn't end up being a needed food source for these beings; otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation or at the very least would be arguing why it's unfair we are being eaten. Or the fact that these beings are going to great lengths to preserve us for the most part; rather than butchering us and leaving us on a body pile. The question of why needs to be more carefully thought out. And if you want to ignore or reject the whys, and instead just focus on the what being enough - well, I will leave you to your opinions.

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