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Postby Jaack » Thu May 07, 2009 11:05 am

Here Nesaie I'll make it easy for ya.

Section 9 - Limits on Congress

The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
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Postby Tairaa » Thu May 07, 2009 5:48 pm

Is Habeas corpus still revoked? If so I can't see how they are not in refraction of your constitutional rights personally. How is this kid getting a lawyer going to put the public at risk?!
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Postby Nesaie » Thu May 07, 2009 7:50 pm

greeney2 wrote:
Ashton now sits in a juvenile facility in South Bend, Ind. His mother has had little access to him since his arrest. She has gone to her state representatives as well as attorneys, seeking assistance, but, she said, there is nothing she can do.


Wait! Wait! Wait! just a minute. The Mother is claiming he was arrested and detained becasue of the Patriot Act, but this doesn;t sound like the case at all. He is being held in a Junenile Facility in south bend Indiana and she has access to him. Is this really a case of the Patriot act denying a kid his rights or a mothers claim that is unfounded, crying wolf. Why would a federal patriot act crime detain him in a juvinile facility and not a federal facility regardless if he were only 16? He would be in a federal facility and kept in seclusion I would think. Before you all jump to conclusions, maybe this is no more than a frantic Mother's claims, and not the case whatsoever.


Good call Greeney, I found a follow-up story. The kid DOES have a lawyer and the feds don't need to use the Patriot Act for the case they have against him.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/a ... 26683.html

May 07, 2009
Ashton Lundeby Update
Posted by William Grigg at May 7, 2009 02:08 PM

It appears that, contrary to what I reported two days ago, Ashton Lundeby is not being held under the USA PATRIOT act.

Earlier today, a memo marked "Not for distribution outside law enforcement" was circulated among officials in Indiana -- where Ashton is being held at the Thomas N. Frederick Juvenile Justice Center in South Bend. The memo complained of hostile publicity given to the case inspired by what were described as "false claims" from Ashton's mother, Annette Lundeby, about the use of the PATRIOT act in the arrest and detention of her son.

Those claims led the office of US Attorney David Capp to issue a press release today insisting that the arrest and detention of Ashton Lundeby "is unrelated to the PATRIOT act."

"The juvenile has appeared in court on three occasions, once in North Carolina for an initial hearing and a detention hearing, and twice in Indiana for a continued initial hearing and a status hearing," the press release relates. "At each hearing, the juvenile was represented by counsel.... The juvenile is presently housed in a juvenile facility in the Northern District of Indiana where he does not have contact with adult offenders. His mother has been apprised of each court appearance and has attended the hearing in North Carolina; she did not appear at either of the hearings in Indiana."

As the press release notes, Annette Lundeby was present during the initial hearing in North Carolina, and until today she was the only source available to describe the details of her son's arrest and the terms of his detention. In interviews I conducted with her both on May 5 and 6, Mrs. Lundeby insisted that the PATRIOT act was invoked by the Feds in this case.

I reported her claims in good faith, buttressed by the assessment presented in the WRAL report from former U.S. Attorney Dan Boyce, as well as the fact -- noted in the essay published on LRC two days ago -- that the PATRIOT act's definition of "domestic terrorism" has been used in at least one other case involving a juvenile accused of a serious crime.

In updates to the original story, I relate that a source close to the prosecution (not directly involved in the prosecution, but with detailed, first-hand knowledge of it) insists that the case against Ashton is strong enough that the use of such extraordinary measures would not be necessary.

Title 18, Section 844 (e) of the US Code makes it a felony punishable by a prison term of up to 10 years to make a bomb threat, either real or bogus, using "the mail, telephone, telegraph, or other instrument of interstate commerce...." That provision would explain the involvement of the FBI in a suspected bomb threat made from North Carolina against Purdue University in Indiana. Whatever the wisdom of that statute, its existence would appear to make use of the PATRIOT act gratuituous. This doesn't mean that the Feds didn't take the easy route, as Mrs. Lundeby claims, of course. But it does mean that if Ashton was involved in making bomb threats, he bought himself more trouble than he expected.

Expect a follow-up on all of this later today on Pro Libertate.
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Postby Tairaa » Thu May 07, 2009 11:51 pm

W00T!

I guess it should be considered equivalent to arguing to a hypothetical situation...

Well, good news fellas, you've not gone as far downhill as the story would have lead on. :)
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Postby Nesaie » Fri May 08, 2009 12:25 am

Be scared! Be very very scared...you Canuck! :P






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Postby Tairaa » Fri May 08, 2009 9:18 am

Canucks lost last night, my brother is betting someone a paintball gun that chicago beats vancouver in the playoffs so I'm rooting for chicago. :)
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