The Black Vault Message Forums

Discover the Truth!        

General Discussion Topics

Wisconsin, Cali, the New Red States?

The Black Vault Message Forums has a considerable number of niche forums to place your post. If you can not find a home for it, and the topic doesn't fit anywhere else, then post it here.

Postby frrostedman » Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:17 pm

Wishful thinking but public-sector big labor took a HUGE hit from the American citizens yesterday. Scott Walker, despite big-labor throwing all they could muster at him and Obama launching a get-out-the-vote ground campaign, survived the recall in a veritable land-slide victory over the Democrat. And San Diego and San Jose of all places, just had their liberal citizens vote by a whopping 70%, to cut public-sector pension plans for people who are still working in an effort to help restore budget balance. So many people voted in favor of these cuts, that experts say it's inevitable that even labor-union employees voted to cut their own pensions. People are waking up and smelling the Greek coffee brewing.

I think the public are starting to realize that if we maintain the status quo, we will end up like Greece, so we better do something now before it's too late. Public-sector pension plans in California pay retirees 90% of their salary for the rest of their life. That is just ridiculously unsustainable and pension-plan payouts are bankrupting cities all over the nation.

This is just the beginning.
Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein
User avatar
frrostedman
 
Posts: 3769
Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:01 pm

Postby at1with0 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:13 am

I was going to have a pension...would have been nice for it to be 90% of my income forever. Cashed it out though :D

How many people, though, are going to actually give up money, lots of money, to make sure the government, which is often invisible, has a balanced budget?

It's a lot like the not my back yard mentality.
"it is easy to grow crazy"
User avatar
at1with0
 
Posts: 9182
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 5:55 pm
Location: the coproduct of the amalgam of all structures

Postby frrostedman » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:11 pm

at1with0 wrote:I was going to have a pension...would have been nice for it to be 90% of my income forever. Cashed it out though :D

How many people, though, are going to actually give up money, lots of money, to make sure the government, which is often invisible, has a balanced budget?

It's a lot like the not my back yard mentality.


Peope self-sacrificed to make the tough decisions.

The numbers are out in Wisconsin. Bear in mind, Scott Walker ended public-sector-union collective bargaining. An unbelievable 38% of public-sector union workers voted to keep him in office! And an equally unbelievable 48% of family members with close family in public sector unions, voted to keep him. Incredible, and completely unexpected. The Democrats really have no choice but to walk away and pretend this isn't all that big of a deal. But this is really huge. And it paves the way for Romney to run on these issues and possibly win the presidential election. The people--many of whom are silent, non-politically-active fiscal conservatives--are TERRIFIED of another 4 years of Progressive-Liberal-Socialist leadership; especially seeing the direct results of these Liberal policies across the pond in Europe.

I know it's a bitter pill for folks like Humphreys to swallow; but the mainstream in America does not hold European political and fiscal policies in very high regard. I get the feeling that many Europeans consider their leaders as "standard-bearers," leading the way to a better world. Most Americans would completely disagree. But it's not meant to be insulting, it's just a matter of priorities. You have to understand.. it was just a couple hundred years ago when our forefathers ran over here to get away from government intervention; with the goal (obviously among other things) to establish individual liberty. Yes, individual liberty comes with some risk; but mainstream America prefers a risk/reward scenario over a Nanny-State that distributes incomes and discourages the pursuit of personal wealth. Mainstream America wants the government out of our lives but for the bare minimum intervention possible which is basically to keep the roads paved and borders secure.
Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein
User avatar
frrostedman
 
Posts: 3769
Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:01 pm

Postby bionic » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:10 am

I think the public are starting to realize that if we maintain the status quo, we will end up like Greece, so we better do something now before it's too late. Public-sector pension plans in California pay retirees 90% of their salary for the rest of their life. That is just ridiculously unsustainable and pension-plan payouts are bankrupting cities all over the nation.

This is just the beginning.


something's gotta give...
Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
We are the music makers, we are the dreamers of dreams
User avatar
bionic
 
Posts: 9884
Joined: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:54 am


Return to General Discussion Topics

cron
  • View new posts
  • View unanswered posts
  • Who is online
  • In total there are 5 users online :: 1 registered, 0 hidden and 4 guests (based on users active over the past 10 minutes)
  • Most users ever online was 292 on Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:19 pm
  • Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 4 guests