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Postby optimized » Sun May 06, 2012 10:59 am

Would You Shoot Bigfoot?

Bigfoot ... to shoot or not to shoot, that is the question.

Albeit a very hypothetical question considering that despite countless sightings, a host of physical proof, and a ton of interest no one can say for certain that Bigfoot actually exists. Let’s say the species does exist.

If there is a large semi-simian species inhabiting the wild the first person most likely to encounter it would be a hunter (Just look at how many turkey hunters have recently spotted the animal). If -- when -- that happens should said hunter kill the animal to offer proof of its existence to the world?

Many in the Bigfoot community say “No.” The most recent example of this comes from Loren Coleman, director of the International Cryptozoology Museum and author of Bigfoot! The True Story of Apes in America, who resigned his position as a board member of the Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy (TBRC) over their “pro kill” policy, which the group adopted without consulting him.

Coleman explained his position in an email to me. Mr. Coleman stated, “I find it unfortunate that the members of any Bigfoot group are out in the woods, seemingly and randomly, shooting at furry animate cryptids they feel they should kill to prove the existence of Bigfoot. Besides the unknown legal implications of such behavior (What if the species is found to be a species of Homo? What if it is a human in a hairy suit?), I have been an open advocate of the live capture (telebiology), and non-killing of hairy unknown hominoids for decades.”

Although most Bigfoot organizations, according to Coleman, “do not publicize their positions, too openly, on their policies” concerning whether they are for or against killing, it is safe to assume that most favor the latter and that the TBRC is in fringe territory. In fact, most of the commenters that responded to Colman’s resignation blog post on the website Cryptomundo agree with his stance. Do you?

The legality of shooting a Bigfoot isn’t much of a factor as, according to Coleman, there are currently no laws protecting the animal (See Coleman’s piece on the only major law against killing Bigfoot that has since expired.

If a hunter encounters a Bigfoot (not a hairy guy or someone dressed up in a gorilla suit) while afield should he or she shoot it?

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Postby greeney2 » Sun May 06, 2012 12:52 pm

The obvious answer is not to shoot it, or even to capture it, if Big Foot actually exists. Why would you do either?
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Postby shadowcass » Sun May 06, 2012 9:05 pm

Only if he fired on me first.
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Postby Butcher » Fri May 11, 2012 10:16 pm

The scientific community needs hard evidence, but to arbitrarily slay an endangered species is unforgivable IMO.
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Postby optimized » Sat May 12, 2012 7:43 am

Reporting a sighting of a cryptid, could get someone a page, one of countless around the net, on a website. That won't do much as far as fame and fortune goes.

A photograph or footage of one [Bigfoot], will get one a page, and perhaps some youtube time. The pic or footage could undergo decades of scutiny--much like the Patterson-Gimlin film. Not much fame and fortune there either.

But produce a body of a Bigfoot or the likes, and that will be one sure way into the history books. Someone will become famous for eternity instantly. One will not only acquire fortune--but endless notoriety as well. People have killed for less.

I myself have never held a gun or rifle. Not that I would use it to kill an innocent--not to mention highly intelligent--creature. With human skills constantly evolving and progressing, it should be only a matter of time before a Bigfoot is obsreved--should one exist of course. I'll wait. ;)
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Postby cormac » Sat Jun 09, 2012 8:20 pm

well the only time i've ever handled a gun i almost shot my brother's foot off ... accidentally ... poor training frankly on his part, the expert, to me the novice ... but he's held a grudge ever since ... frankly, not ever having liked him that much, i'd shoot him long before i'd shoot an innocent Bigfoot ...

but if for some reason i was in the woods with a gun and was face to face with a Bigfoot, i doubt i'd shoot ... or even hit anything ... frankly, i'd probably be busy peeing my pants lol ... i mean, an 8 foot tall (or more) hairy thing standing there staring back at me? it would be pretty frightening i think ...

but now aside from just my personal reaction, i don't think you should shoot any innocent animal .. why? to proved they exist? how ridiculous is that?

take a good video and still camera ... shoot bigfoot like that ...

and if you were alone and shot bigfoot, how would you get him back to civilization if you're on foot, deep in the woods? if you're more than a mile from your vehicle, how are you going to drag three or four hundred pounds of animal back? these things are huge from all descriptions ... and if you're camping say an hour from where you could round up anyone to come and help you bring the carcass back, then will it still be there? it seems if we haven't found a carcass to this point that perhaps the creature has a burial process ... or something ... remember there were hundreds of years before they found a carcass of an elephant in the wild and only then when they found the proverbial 'graveyard' ... i'm not saying the other elephants dragged them there but they went there ... but you're dealing with a primate here and they might have a burial ritual ... we don't know ...

so all that and more is to take into consideration ... i say don't shoot anything but film (digital of course is fine ;) )

but don't just kill things ... i don't think that's the way to go about it ... maybe have a twinkie just in case ... no primate can resist a twinkie

oh btw i saw a thing on the 'russian bigfoot', a video of a documentary i found on a torrent tracker ... i can't remember if is was 'is it real' series but i think it was ... so there's the story of this 'investigator' out in the woods and she can't sleep at night while they are out camping on a hunt for bigfoot and so she goes for a stroll ... ummm ok ... not what i would think is sound judgement in the middle of a dark forest, middle of nowhere type thing and she didn't appear to have a gps tracker etc (esp when you read about what she WAS carrying at the time) ... and she comes face to face, well 15-20 feet or so i believe, with the russian bigfoot ... and she thinks 'i need to try and communicate with it, to let it know i am friendly and to encourage it to come closer' ... i swear to god this is what she did next ... she just happens to have in the pocket of her winter parka a rubber duckie ... an honest to god just like ernie's on sesame street rubber duckie ... and for some reason this 'scientist' thinks this is the best way to 'communicate' with this animal ... yes, great idea, make a weird noise this creature has never before heard in its life ... why not pull out a freakin' air horn and give a nice long blast on that??? my god i really couldn't believe it ... and so of course she squeaks this thing (why she is carrying a rubber duckie out into the middle of nowhere in a russian forest is never even explained) and the bigfoot takes off running ... well, no sh*t, sherlock ... and she's supposed to be one of the top scientists in russia hunting for the thing ... wow, just a guess but i don't think she'll be the one to ever find it ... :lol: ... i turned it off after that since it seemed she was going to be a large part of this documentary honestly, if that was all the common sense she had, i didn't see the rest of the program as being anything more than a waste of time, much like her research is i'm sure ...

so just remember if you're going out after bigfoot, remember, they don't like the sound of a rubber duckie squeaking ... and maybe leave your 'sesame street greatest hits' at home ... and don't even whistle the song ... :P

btw anyone here ever had a bigfoot encounter? heard them? i've heard some tapes of what are supposed to be them and they sound pretty scary ... or maybe saw footprints or anything?
take care :)

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Postby En-Lugal » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:41 am

Only in a life or death scenario, meaning my life would have to be threatened.
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Postby Halfabo » Tue Sep 11, 2012 1:14 am

If bigfoot actually exists, and it is very likely that they do, a physical specimen is required to confirm its existence. If a species that has never been hunted is becoming extinct, it will become extinct no matter what we do. Without a physical specimen, nothing can be known about the species. If it becomes extinct without being studied then knowledge is lost forever. If a physical specimen can be taken and studied, knowledge is gained that may be useful in preserving other species. If taking one specimen provides enough knowledge about the species, it could be useful in preserving the species itself. If we don't know enough about the Sasquatch how can we possibly prevent its extinction?

Taking a single specimen of the species would not hasten its extinction. It could, however slightly, provide a means to avoid its extinction. It would be better if it could be taken alive and studied without killing it. If that is not possible, then other means can still be useful.
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Postby greeney2 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 6:36 pm

So if you killed one, and after examining the body turns out to be of some human related species, should you be prosocuted for murder?
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Postby Trail-Guide » Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:17 pm

My two cents on an old topic.

I would not shoot a Bigfoot.

Having grown up where they would come through yearly, having seen them several times, no I would not shoot one or do anything to attempt to harass or harm one. Would you harass a bear? or would you go the other way? (I'm in a bear area) Bigfoot is much larger than a bear and has much more shock value on sight than a bear. It would not be a wise thing to harass or attempt to fell one - assuming you even got that far.

Do you think you could "surprise" the top of the food chain? a being that you know nothing about other than what you think you know? in their element? Look back through reports of hunters who have had the chance to nail one, in their sights, or were approached and even had game stolen out from them, but who for whatever reason, froze or just couldn't bring themselves to move. Many of those hunters just freeze or cease to do anything. I'm not implying they are afraid, just that they are, for whatever reason, not able to move to do anything. And often times later, they don't understand why they didn't follow through. Others were summarily "escorted" (run) out of their hunting areas.

There have been lots of guys trying to "Bag a Bigfoot" over the years and bragging quite openly that they were going to do that. Well guess what, it hasn't happened, it won't happen. Their subject is just too aware for them. When you enter the woods, their domain, if they are around, they quickly become aware you are there and communicate it to others. You make too much noise out there, you smell bad, you don't blend in... you don't even think coherent. You might not be aware of your surroundings while out on the trails or in the woods so you miss things. You might miss seeing or hearing clues. They know you are in there. If you are a tracker or hunter, a knowledgeable woods person you will see more than many people do but you know that.

These beings, these people, are not "just animals" but I know that some arm chair explorers can't entertain this. Yes, the beings have some amazing abilities - stalking, mimicking bird calls (sometimes not too well) being able to "disappear" .. getting into your head... building various structures.. etc.. you've seen the litany of things attributed to them. I'm not sure where they fit in with everything else in the scheme of things based on some of the odder things I've experienced. But I do accept that they exist based on my experience.

I've seen and heard allot of strange things over 50 years, and even now when I'm out walking remote trails alone on long day hikes. If they were simply a primate we'd have one by now... We have everything else in Zoos or in a Museum. All of the "loose primates" across our several Counties here have been accounted for over the years. They get caught, trapped, shot sometimes, primates don't care if you see them or not. But the tall people are still out there and they know their home well. Game cameras are all over our National, State and Privately held Parks and Not for Profit lands. Cameras are in remote areas of many tracts of public lands even off in areas that are not designated for hiking by the Public and in wildlife corridors and under-overpasses. None of them gets one of these beings in it. They don't like cameras, they don't like the smell of tech.

I noticed "Fame and Fortune" repeating on a few of the threads here. That is a poor pursuit of another being whether it be an animal, or something else entirely. Fame and Fortune as goals? That to me is a shallow pursuit. Knowledge is a more worthy goal along with understanding.

Again, Just my two cents and IMHO.
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