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As the 2012 election is now over, Barack Obama has won a second term. Many wonder how his policies, his administration, and how the entire political arena, will change our future.

Postby gudskepteacal » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:18 pm

Evan Falchuk, United Independent Party founder and MA gubernatorial candidate, plans to shake up the established two party system with recognition of his new political party. From the DailyCaller...

"Evan Falchuk is running in the Massachusetts gubernatorial race with plans to bring reform to the outdated two party system that, in his opinion, plagues politics.

Falchuk is the founder of the United Independent Party, a new third party that aims to become a “second party.” His party will get official party status if they receive 3 percent in a statewide race. He is currently polling at 3 percent.

He told The Daily Caller Friday what the implications would be if his party were to become officially recognized. “It will bring a kind of accountability and practicality that will change the entire landscape of Massachusetts politics,” Falchuk told TheDC."...


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/11/indep ... z37NhqpopC


Here is the UIP website...

https://unitedindependentparty.nationbuilder.com/
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Postby orangetom1999 » Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:33 am

Falchuk is the founder of the United Independent Party, a new third party that aims to become a “second party.”



There are a growing number of Americans who are concluding that there is little difference in the Republicans and the Democrats and that they are in fact part of a Hegelian Dialectic designed to capture and control the American public between two phony parties. Designed and engineered to bounce the American public back and forth without them ever catching on that there is little difference in these political parties.

Some even say that the Republicans are only "Democrat Lite" but appear on the surface to be conservative when they are deep down underneath..not conservative at all. They are counterfeiters. A counterfeit political party..so too the Democrats. They have both long ago been hijacked by another group without the knowledge of most Americans and even many in the political parties themselves.

As originally founded..the Democrats were the American conservative political party and the Republicans were the liberal political party. Someone out here has done a 180 degree turn around on these two political parties verses how they were founded.




Hence I caught it quickly when the OP stated..."A second party" as there is little to no difference today in the two dominant parties. They will both work together unseen and unknown by the bulk of most Americans who are hooked on the two party system without knowing its true content.

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Postby Dragoness » Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:52 pm

Until there can be another party that can get past the media, I can't see another party anytime soon. The Tea Party is not the evil entity both Republicans and Democrats portray them to be and look how much trouble they have.
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Postby orangetom1999 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:24 am

There have been attempts at independent or third parties for a long time. Often many of them are only fronts to water down the vote potential of the opposition.

I know the tea party is not liked by both parties and for good reason...they do not control the tea party though there have been several attempts in local communities to infiltrate and overtake the tea party ..usually to the phony Republicans.

The obvious fact that the tea party is not liked by both political parties tells me that it is not in bed with either. However...be careful here ..even with the Tea Party. For the attempt by many political strategists is to get a party compromised and then give in on its beliefs in order for the new party to survive. Then the dominant party overtakes the new party...often covertly..even often without the new party members begin aware this hijacking has taken place. This is in fact what has happened with both the Republican and Democrat parties. They have long ago been compromised and are representative of someone or something..not American in nature. They are certainly not representative of the American People. Certain special interests..yes...the people no.

In the days of George Washington and Sam Adams...we were warned by surviving records and comments of these people about the nature of the two party system...that it would soon enough represent only the party..not the people.

Be careful about the Tea Party too in this nature. All political parties.

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Postby greeney2 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:33 pm

orangetom1999 wrote:
In the days of George Washington and Sam Adams...we were warned by surviving records and comments of these people about the nature of the two party system...that it would soon enough represent only the party..not the people.





How true and how many times are we asked to vote all Democratic or all Republican tickets, not who is the best person for the job? Nearly every issue in Congress is just divided by Democrats and Republican only voting as a Party, and not a mix of parties in yeas or nays? I really wonder how things would work if a real 3rd party emerged and we had 3 balanced parties, and not just one that acts like a spoiler for one of the other 2?
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Postby Dragoness » Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:08 pm

orangetom1999 wrote: Be careful about the Tea Party too in this nature. All political parties.

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As they say power corrupts.

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Postby gudskepteacal » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:12 am

Indeed; Niki Raapana of the Anti Communitarian League posted this on her blog almost 4 years ago...

An open letter to all members of local Tea Parties




An open letter to all members of local Tea Parties
from the co-founder of the Anti Communitarian League

"Every policy the Tea Party has protested is based entirely in communitarian ideology. From National Health Care to the Bank Bailout to the Stimulus Package to Stop the IRS and End the Fed, it's all communitarian. Yet the actual word, communitarianism, is missing from your protests and debates. Our entire country is being led down a communitarian path without any idea of how it's happening. So, I'd like to present it to you as a topic for discussion.

This is not an attempt to take-over or co-opt your party. I have zero aspirations for political or leadership positions. Simply bringing the topic of communitarian development before American voters has been the driving force behind everything I've written about it for the past ten years. My primary goal is to make the changeover to communitarian government open to public debates in every affected country.

Communitarianism is the belief that individual and national sovereignty must be balanced against the needs of the global collective. Their entire foundation for forced social evolution rests on their Big Idea that all the world's people will be "free" after everyone gives up any claims to their personal freedom. Defined as the new "spirit" of community, Communitarians believe they are leading mankind into an advanced moral and spiritual state of being. Across the globe, communitarian gurus promote a global program designed to create one big, planned, gated community. They call it sustainable community development."...


Keep Reading: http://www.nikiraapana.blogspot.com/201 ... l-tea.html
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Postby frrostedman » Sat Jul 26, 2014 1:59 am

gudskepteacal wrote:Communitarianism is the belief that individual and national sovereignty must be balanced against the needs of the global collective.

Communitarianism. Or, Communism for short.

I think your post touched on the key difference between Tea Party Conservatives and Progressive Liberals and Republicans. And that is, individual liberty vs. the needs and wants of the entire community. Free Market Capitalism and small government, vs. Communism, Statism, Marxism (big centralized government).

The problem with Free Market Capitalism is, there is a large group of people who don't have the motivation to do anymore than just enough to get by, and they will not fare as well as those with determination and desire to obtain wealth. However the problem with Statism/Marxism/Communism is even worse. With those systems, there is a huge centralized government that has all the power, and corruption and Imperialism are inevitable; not to mention that with the inherent wealth-redistribution, any desire to work hard and make a better life is taken away. If you base a society on the concept that the freeloaders are rewarded through entitlements and have a comparable life to anyone else, then the whole nation loses any incentive to be productive. Eventually the system collapses when the government runs out of money. (Greece)
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Postby gudskepteacal » Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:51 pm

I think 'the ladies' of the Anti Communitarian League would say not exactly Communism and not exactly Capitalism, a final synthesis of both systems into Communitarianism. See how China has prospered after adopting measured capitalist principles. Some would say certain areas of/around Hong Kong are the modern model of true Capitalism. However your underlying reference to Cloward-Piven is well taken.
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Postby orangetom1999 » Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:32 am

gudskepteacal wrote:I think 'the ladies' of the Anti Communitarian League would say not exactly Communism and not exactly Capitalism, a final synthesis of both systems into Communitarianism. See how China has prospered after adopting measured capitalist principles. Some would say certain areas of/around Hong Kong are the modern model of true Capitalism. However your underlying reference to Cloward-Piven is well taken.


Hegelian dialectic...thesis, anti thesis, synthesis. This is exactly how the phony two party system works in America. They "appear" to be in opposition..but often are just the opposite...in cahoots. They often work by allowing issues to pass by silence and by not educating the public on how things work or do not work. Ignorance among the public is their greatest tool.

The public is kept in check by distractions in place of real thinking..by emotions and instant gratifications. Amusements.

Hence we are more in tune with that race car driver who was run over by Tony Stewarts car...the death of Robin Williams or whatever breaking entertainment news comes next..but not real information's and thinking..nor the tools to think for
ourselves.
Who is dancing with whom.


Communitarian systems appeal greatly to the feminine...who prefer security verses opportunity. Security provided of course that someone else it taking all the RISKS to bring them security ...gratis. This is the appeal of Security and stability by government or the body politic...that they can somehow bring about security and stability...while spending the lot of future generations. Nothing could be further from the truth.
And most politicians and leaders today are quite feminine. Security verses Opportunity..and on the public purse.

It was individuals and companies who ceated this country ..not government...and produced the greatest plenty this world has ever seen or known.

With constant Hegelian Dialectic taking place to control and regulate the people...this will all come to an end...and you can see this taking place. It is economic collapse..but no one wants to tell the American People that this is taking place. They don't dare. The American people are to be the last to know while they are urged again and again to go to the voting booth and push the buttons or pull the levers for two phony choices.

Be very careful of the two party system..and also any new political parties..that they are not secretly hijacked by the first two political parties pulling their strings..privily.

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