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Postby gudskepteacal » Fri Jul 04, 2014 12:28 am

This will no doubt be inferior to my first try, but I'll be brief and yeah, metropolis, your sinks and stuff are real groovy man. :roll:

Unless you've been someplace without any current news reports lately, you know which border I mean. I'm frankly surprised this topic hasn't been started already given the HIGHLY charged emotional confrontations concerning this subject lately. Then again, so much these days seems to be a few degrees off kilter, upside down/inside out and, most disheartening, orchestrated to keep the American people engaged in hateful vitriol and divisive rhetoric. Is this your America Mr. President? Will the ends really justify these means? "What does it profit a man..."

Without going into the polotics = dialectic of blame game, back and forth, round and round, I, being of reasonably sound mind and body, stand firmly with those who are of the opinion that we should care for these children the best we can instead of loading them right back on transportation pointed back south. They are just children who didn't ask for this, had no part in planning it and, hey c'mon, if we can afford to spy on world leaders halfway around the world, we can surely afford to care for them, feed them and maybe even reassure them of their safety if not their future. I'm quite sure it won't break us; and, even if it does... well some older members may remember my sentiments about that. In my heart I'm sure it's not only the humanitarian thing to do, it's the human thing to do.

With that being said, after they have been cared for, scrubbed and fed, our laws did call for them to be deported back to country of origin until President Obama decreed they shall stay. We know the President isn't responsible for our border being as porous as a kitchen colander, but he didn't have to cut the lock and lay out the welcome mat either. I do not know the solution, but it seems the first thing should be National Guard or whatever is needed to the border to slow this heavy stream of illegals down to at least a trickle. I've always believed in a secure border and I think we even passed a bill a few years ago to appropriate funds to achieve that very thing, but instead of border security we have our current situation. I would go on a rant about endless Congressional gridlock and how ineffective and spineless our representatives are, but truth is we as a people are the root problem. Many exceptions, of course, but the majority of folks are simply apathetic and uninvolved; we just don't push, prod and harass our government like we should and I freely admit to being one of the biggest offenders. Mid-terms are coming though and I've vowed to change that.

Anyway, here goes nothing...
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Postby frrostedman » Sat Jul 05, 2014 1:08 am

And again, another bright, bright spotlight on our pRESIDENT's total ineptitude. His strategy is to bus and fly all the illegals to several different cities... and get this... WITHOUT EVEN TELLING THE CITIES THEY'RE COMING!!! What??? Just imagine it. It's literally happening. A bus pulls up at the street corner in your town, and several dozen children are booted out, and the bus speeds off. WTF?????

And there is evidence that Obama is targeting Conservative-leaning cities with these dump offs. I guess he's secretly hoping that the cities will not care properly for the kids so he can tell the country how horrible Conservatives are. I'm sure if one of the children dies, he will rub his hands together with glee, preparing for the next fund-raiser speech.

As everyone knows, Obama knew this influx of tens of thousands of Central Americans was going to happen several months in advance. That's a fact. So he is absolutely LYING when he says the White House was caught by surprise. Looking at the whole picture, it's quite obvious that Obama, through his choice words in public speeches, intentionally caused the heavy flow of illegal immigrants to flood our southern border, and he approves of it, and plans to make good use of it. Afterall, the vast majority of these illegals are future Democrat low-information voters and constituents. There is some investigating going on because in several Central American countries, there was public ad run on TV and radio that encouraged everyone to make a run for the American border, saying they would not be turned away. As of now, no one seems to know who paid for those ads. I think the logical presumption at this point is, the Obama Administration financed them. These helpless children are clearly being used as pawns in a diabolical scheme to cause a "humanitarian crisis," use it to smear Republicans, and (bonus!) add to the Democrat voter base.

We keep saying "OMG, Obama has sunk to a new low." But somehow, he always finds a way to top what he did the week before. When will this stop? How can the American people just sit there and cheer our President on? It's gotten to the point where major, bona fide scandals perpetrated by the pRESIDENT only stay in the news for 1 or 2 weeks; because a new, even MORE heinous scandal occurs shortly afterward. And there's no end in sight. Meanwhile, every week he walks up to the podium, labels all the scandals "phony," and turns the whole thing into a witch hunt carried out by a do-nothing, obstructionist Congress. And the seals and parrots shout out and clap with approval.

This is so surreal. It's a nightmare. Several years ago I would have bet dollars to doughnut holes that no President could ever get away with something like this. It's genuinely disturbing to fathom just how ignorant, indifferent, and uninterested Americans are when it comes to critical leadership decisions. Ask an American something about pop culture and they will opine for hours. It's like the majority of voters in this country have become knuckle-dragging zombies and drones. Sadly, one must conclude that if this continues to go on... in short time, the Great Experiment will implode and the country will suffer permanent, fatal damage. I don't know when this will happen... maybe we'll avoid this scenario for a decade or so. But we will surely hit our tipping point by 2040. That's the year which studies say the minorities will become a majority in the US.
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Postby greeney2 » Sat Jul 05, 2014 8:22 am

I don't know if this has made national news, maybe because the liberal media does not want to cover it. In California, we are having protests that are beginning to get to very bad confrontations in Muretta, California. They are not dropping off a few, they have told them 140 would come in every 3 days by bus, indefinitely. The protesters turned the buses around only for the to go to El Cajon, California, not too far away. These kids have had many get off the bus and untreated for head lice, and several with scabies. No vaccinations as well.

they project as many as 90,000 kids will come in the same way by the end of the year. The taxpayers will pay for them to reach families in the USA while they await trials. They will just get swallowed up in the system, most will never report, they will just blend into what is already 10 million undocumented aliens. Who will foot the bill for all of this? How can all the small local economies just swallow this additional burden with their local county hospitals, care facilities, and assumed these are all kids, who will be enrolled in school, while they wait. Each will have court appointed lawyers, who will be paid by the government, and the game begins.

The game will be report to your destination. You will be assigned to a court for your proceedings, where the lawyers will leave it all in limbo for years to come. They will delay, get a continuance, make each case a case of asylum, to where long drawn out trials will be a farce. They will get them legally into the country, one by one, and then those who are sponsoring them may get legal status to stay.

Of course anyone apposing them coming in, like myself, is going to be branded a racist. Like you say frosty, they will turn this into a conservative racist issue, as a tool to manipulate the next election. The entire thing is a scam on our legal system.
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Postby gudskepteacal » Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:40 am

Part of the reason I started this topic is because of the potential for a real public health disaster. All of these people are being held in overcrowded facilities and who knows what kind of diseases they may be carrying. Just one contagious person could infect dozens in this situation and then those people, who would show no sign until they are already processed and released, get on a bus that's going who knows where in the country. Can you see the red dots on the map multiplying exponentially? I'm no communicable disease expert, but, with the right bug, it's not a stretch that we could have an actual Outbreak or Contagion on our hands. The MSM has been (predictably) quiet about this and most Americans don't know the CDC has activated their Emergency Operations Center which has been done in the past to respond to emergencies like Hurricane Katrina and the World Trade Center attacks. Here is a piece by Marc Siegel, M.D. in Slate that reports this public health issue...

"Diseases that are endemic to other countries are not always the same ones that we face in the United States. This is a medical observation, not a political one, and it is the reason immigrants who enter this country legally face rigorous screenings in advance of entry for sexually transmitted diseases, active tuberculosis, new strains of influenza, leprosy, cholera, and plague.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention require that all legal immigrants receive a medical exam. Proof of vaccination is also mandatory for measles, mumps, rubella, polio, tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, haemophilus strains, hepatitis A and B, rotavirus, meningococcus, chicken pox, pneumonia, and seasonal flu.

None of these rigorous screenings can be done in advance of entry on people who enter this country illegally and undetected. And once people are detained, the screenings they receive are not nearly as rigorous or effective at controlling the spread of disease. This is the reason that we have a potential public health crisis along our southern border.

As many as 50,000 children, mostly from Central American countries, are now being housed in cramped makeshift detention centers by the U.S. government. Unfortunately, they are not being detained for the purpose of identifying illness, with Immigration and Customs Enforcement relying on self-report of symptoms, and many have already been sent to other states, where disease can spread."...

..."HHS told me that the CDC has now activated its Emergency Operations Center to Level III, which means it is on 24-hour alert to better coordinate and track their programs in support of what HHS is calling “the urgent humanitarian situation of unaccompanied children along the southwest border.” But calling it a crisis and working to contain it are two different things. It is clear that the CDC needs to be more involved immediately to help identify, treat, and contain emerging diseases. Putting a cone of secrecy around the health concerns of 50,000 children helps neither those who are sick nor those who are placed at risk." ... _from.html
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Postby frrostedman » Wed Jul 16, 2014 8:33 pm

A border agent (someone in a management position) the other night reported that endless cases of scabies and lice have been contracted by border agents, and one even had to be hospitalized with bacterial pneumonia. You're right gud. This has all the makings of a real life national disaster, just from the contagious disease angle.

I can't believe what is happening. Believe it or not, my (now legal citizen, thanks to thousands of dollars and countless visits to officers, attorneys, and agents) wife from Mexico is even more adamant than I am about turning these kids around and giving them a swift kick in the butt in the direction where they came from.

This is all textbook stuff. Cloward and Piven. Strain the system of Capitalism/Individual Liberty/Free Market Trade... to such a degree that it completely collapses. Then institute Marxism, Socialism, whatever. It is happening, step by step, precisely as Obama was instructed. No, not talking points. Fact. Read the book. Look around. It's an absolute fact.
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Postby orangetom1999 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:55 pm

I know a woman who was at one time an apartment manager. She had a lot of section 8 housing.

What she told me about those coming from south of the border ..often with their families. And they often have several family members and relations sharing one apartment. This causes a sanitation problem very quickly as many of them have lice. Not only that but their household goods have bed bugs in them. This is the source of a lot of the problems with bed bugs plaguing the nation. But it is not PC to so state this and the media will down play it for exactly those reasons.

It was a surprise for me when she first told me of this. She was terrified that she would get bed bugs and bring them home to have her place infested with them. Eventually she quit that job.

This is not being told to the bulk of 'Americans for PC reasons as to the extent of how big the problem really is and why.

This is only the tip of the disease and sanitation problems coming.

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