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Postby magonia17 » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:21 pm

I received a response to my FOIA request dated July 23 2013. I asked for "any records that were reported, filed, processed, created under the preview of AFI 10-206 dated October 15th 2008, Section 5.6, Reporting Instructions".

HQAF response was interesting. They stated: A3, Operations, Plans and Requirements conducted an appropriate search for responsive records, but they stated "none were found". A3 indicated no reports were ever transmitted to HQ AF, under this instruction. They further stated when this Instruction was rewritten on the 6th September 2011, the CIRVIS report was deleted because NORAD no longer required the report.
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Postby blackvault » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:25 am

Yeah, I found myself entangled on why that was re-written. Have you seen this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/1 ... 82128.html
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Postby magonia17 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:40 am

Yes I have read their account. It does seem strange that it was removed after the article was written, you would of thought once NORAD informed the USAF that it not longer requires CIRVIS reports, the AF would of removed that section completely as soon as it was informed.
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Postby blackvault » Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:22 am

I was the one that brought it to the Huffington Post's attention when he was doing a write up on The Black Vault.

The short of it, and this wasn't really in the article, is I was able to prove that NORAD "never" had an interest in CIRVIS reports EVER. They told me in a signed letter they didn't have a single report. Yet, the Canadian government sent me a ton of them. The CIRVIS reports I got (small batch of what is really being archived) is at: http://www.theblackvault.com/m/articles ... mvP5fn_nzY
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Postby magonia17 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:48 am

blackvault wrote:I was the one that brought it to the Huffington Post's attention when he was doing a write up on The Black Vault.

The short of it, and this wasn't really in the article, is I was able to prove that NORAD "never" had an interest in CIRVIS reports EVER. They told me in a signed letter they didn't have a single report. Yet, the Canadian government sent me a ton of them. The CIRVIS reports I got (small batch of what is really being archived) is at: http://www.theblackvault.com/m/articles ... mvP5fn_nzY



That's very interesting the US doesn't have any interest, but Canada does. Its like UTR not under the control of USNORTHCOM, thus no records exist but under the preview of NORAD. Tricks of the trade as I call it. NORAD is a strange entity in itself.
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Postby magonia17 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:52 am

I also filed a FOIA to USAFEUROPE, for records they may of created as a result of their version of this Instruction dated 14 September 2009. The response was one day after I filed the request via email. Again a "no records" response. Strange how quickly they responded to my request, they stated they conducted a search, if that was the case it was within record time.
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Postby magonia17 » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:07 pm

Well a response came from the USAF and a no records determination was there answer and they stated this also: "A definite answer as to why CIRVIS was removed from AFI 10-206 is unknown" and then a possible explanation which was " the most likely reason is the requirement was no longer needed or relevant. Therefore, a "no records" determination is made."

Well no documents were found no authorisation documentation, was it just some one decided to remove the section with no authority?
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Postby magonia17 » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:44 pm

blackvault wrote:I was the one that brought it to the Huffington Post's attention when he was doing a write up on The Black Vault.

The short of it, and this wasn't really in the article, is I was able to prove that NORAD "never" had an interest in CIRVIS reports EVER. They told me in a signed letter they didn't have a single report. Yet, the Canadian government sent me a ton of them. The CIRVIS reports I got (small batch of what is really being archived) is at: http://www.theblackvault.com/m/articles ... mvP5fn_nzY


According to the internal correspondence from the USAF records from the CIRVIS reporting system are set to NORAD so this contradicts the letter you mentioned.
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