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Re: Van Halen

Postby rath » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:05 am

Wing-Zero wrote:
rath wrote:Yhe & you think coz you re-name a genre from easten or middle easten or trible to ROCK N ROLL it means the usa invented music or a genre of music.

Grow up.


Lol.

You still don't know what you're talking about. It's even more hilarious because you're putting in SO much effort trying to prove yourself right when really you're just making an idiot out of yourself.

Here, I'll give you a freebie. Explain how middle eastern music and tribal music had ANY effect on the outcome of Rock and Roll?

Protip: The blues and jazz were born in the US, so try a different route sparky.


blues music evolved from Jazz.

& Jazz evolved from European & gypsy music.


This period corresponds to the transition from slavery to sharecropping, small-scale agricultural production and the expansion of railroads in the southern United States. Several scholars characterize the early 1900s development of blues music as a move from group performances to a more individualized style. They argue that the development of the blues is associated with the newly acquired freedom of the enslaved people.

According to Lawrence Levine, "there was a direct relationship between the national ideological emphasis upon the individual, the popularity of Booker T. Washington's teachings, and the rise of the blues." Levine states that "psychologically, socially, and economically, African-Americans were being acculturated in a way that would have been impossible during slavery, and it is hardly surprising that their secular music reflected this as much as their religious music did."

Blues has evolved from an unaccompanied vocal music and oral traditions of African-American slaves (imported from West Africa; principally present day Mali, Senegal, the Gambia and Ghana)[44][45] and rural blacks into a wide variety of styles and subgenres, with regional variations across the United States. Though blues, as it is now known, can be seen as a musical style based on both European harmonic structure and the African call-and-response tradition, transformed into an interplay of voice and guitar.

By 1808 the Atlantic slave trade had brought almost half a million Africans to the United States. The slaves largely came from West Africa and brought strong tribal musical traditions with them. Lavish festivals featuring African dances to drums were organized on Sundays at Place Congo, or Congo Square, in New Orleans until 1843, as were similar gatherings in New England and New York. African music was largely functional, for work or ritual, and included work songs and field hollers. The African tradition made use of a single-line melody and call-and-response pattern, but without the European concept of harmony. Rhythms reflected African speech patterns, and the African use of pentatonic scales led to blue notes in blues and jazz.


The blackface Virginia Minstrels in 1843, featuring tambourine, fiddle, banjo and bones. In the early 19th century an increasing number of black musicians learned to play European instruments, particularly the violin, which they used to parody European dance music in their own cakewalk dances. In turn, European-American minstrel show performers in blackface popularized such music internationally, combining syncopation with European harmonic accompaniment. Louis Moreau Gottschalk adapted African-American cakewalk music, South American, Caribbean and other slave melodies as piano salon music. Another influence came from black slaves who had learned the harmonic style of hymns and incorporated it into their own music as spirituals.
The origins of the blues can be seen as the secular counterpart of the spirituals. Paul Oliver has drawn attention to similarities in instruments, music and social function to the griots of the West African savannah.


Rhythms reflected African speech patterns, and the African use of pentatonic scales led to blue notes in blues and jazz.




The Diddley bow, a homemade one-stringed instrument found in parts of the American South in the early twentieth century, and the banjo are African-derived instruments that may have helped in the transfer of African performance techniques into the early blues instrumental vocabulary.[52] The banjo seems to be directly imported from the western African music. It is analogous to the musical instrument that griots played and which was called halam or akonting by African peoples such as the Wolof, Fula and Madinka.[53] However in the 1920s, at the time country blues began to get recorded, the use of the banjo in blues music was quite marginal and limited to individuals such as Papa Charlie Jackson and later Gus Cannon.[54]

Blues music also adopted elements from the "Ethiopian airs", minstrel shows and Negro spirituals, including instrumental and harmonic accompaniment.[55] The style also was closely related to ragtime, which developed at about the same time, though the blues better preserved "the original melodic patterns of African music".[56]

The musical forms and styles that are now considered the "blues" as well as modern "country music"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blues#Origins
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Re: Van Halen

Postby Wing-Zero » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:17 am

Right, so Middle Eastern and Tribal = European and Gypsy now, huh?

Regardless, evolving =/= re-naming. An entirely different style spawned from previous styles. That's like saying that since Death Metal uses a guitar, it's obviously just Country renamed. Blues is a different style that, while inspired by other sets, was still made into its own unique form here in the US. Just like Rock N' Roll! :o You're frantically grasping at straws.

Regardless, AC/DC isn't ground-breaking, "Heavy Metal" wasn't the term given to "Aussie Rock", and AC/DC isn't metal.

Troll. :roll:
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Re: Van Halen

Postby rath » Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:15 am

Wing-Zero wrote:Right, so Middle Eastern and Tribal = European and Gypsy now, huh?

Regardless, evolving =/= re-naming. An entirely different style spawned from previous styles. That's like saying that since Death Metal uses a guitar, it's obviously just Country renamed. Blues is a different style that, while inspired by other sets, was still made into its own unique form here in the US. Just like Rock N' Roll! :o You're frantically grasping at straws.

Regardless, AC/DC isn't ground-breaking, "Heavy Metal" wasn't the term given to "Aussie Rock", and AC/DC isn't metal.

Troll. :roll:



:roll:

Another one of your signature comebacks.

Vague and lacking in substance.

Wing-Zero wrote:Regardless, evolving =/= re-naming. An entirely different style spawned from previous styles. That's like saying that since Death Metal uses a guitar, it's obviously just Country renamed. Blues is a different style that, while inspired by other sets, was still made into its own unique form here in the US. Just like Rock N' Roll! :o You're frantically grasping at straws.

Regardless, AC/DC isn't ground-breaking, "Heavy Metal" wasn't the term given to "Aussie Rock", and AC/DC isn't metal.



rath wrote:if you keep takeing things from other cultures & then re-nameing them in a lame attempt to make it look like the USA has contributed something ........ then where will it stop.

Death Metal.

:roll:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_music_genres



& yet all this started with the claims that Guns & Roses was the best band ever & guns n roses had the biggest album of the 1980s. :lol: :lol: :lol: :oops:


So despite what you think of AC/DC they are still bigger & better than guns n roses will ever be.

Guns N Roses. :lol: ......... (Rose Tattoo more like it.)
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Re: Van Halen

Postby Wing-Zero » Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:25 am

rath wrote:Another one of your signature comebacks.

Vague and lacking in substance.


You want substance? Go sift through the last 15 pages. Just because someone tries to make it easier for the mentally challenged doesn't mean I will.

& yet all this started with the claims that Guns & Roses was the best band ever & guns n roses had the biggest album of the 1980s. :lol: :lol: :lol: :oops:


No, this BS started with you bring your AC/DC pro Aussie crap in here yet again trying to pass both off as God's own testament.

Wing-Zero wrote:Appetite For Destruction.

The end to a great era. Make your move, peasant. ;)


See that, Barbie? SEE THAT? First page, second f**king post. No where does it say that Guns N' Roses is the best band ever, nor does it say anything about them having the best album of 1980's.

You came in with your typical half page copy/paste full of lousy material that didn't move a God damn thing forward and ended with "lol ausfailia pwnz u i trol hard" :roll:

You proceeded to put fifteen pages of piss-all in here, trying to convince God knows what that we're all saying something when in reality it's all just made up in that overclocked hamster brain of yours.

Learn how to f**king read and problem solve and grow the f**k up.
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Re: Van Halen

Postby rath » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:17 am

Wing-Zero wrote:
rath wrote:Another one of your signature comebacks.

Vague and lacking in substance.


You want substance? Go sift through the last 15 pages. Just because someone tries to make it easier for the mentally challenged doesn't mean I will.

& yet all this started with the claims that Guns & Roses was the best band ever & guns n roses had the biggest album of the 1980s. :lol: :lol: :lol: :oops:


No, this BS started with you bring your AC/DC pro Aussie crap in here yet again trying to pass both off as God's own testament.

Wing-Zero wrote:Appetite For Destruction.

The end to a great era. Make your move, peasant. ;)


See that, Barbie? SEE THAT? First page, second f**king post. No where does it say that Guns N' Roses is the best band ever, nor does it say anything about them having the best album of 1980's.

You came in with your typical half page copy/paste full of lousy material that didn't move a God damn thing forward and ended with "lol ausfailia pwnz u i trol hard" :roll:

You proceeded to put fifteen pages of piss-all in here, trying to convince God knows what that we're all saying something when in reality it's all just made up in that overclocked hamster brain of yours.

Learn how to f**king read and problem solve and grow the f**k up.



See that, Barbie?


Well Australia did invent the BBQ. :D

See that, Barbie? SEE THAT? First page, second f**king post. No where does it say that Guns N' Roses is the best band ever, nor does it say anything about them having the best album of 1980's.

You came in with your typical half page copy/paste full of lousy material that didn't move a God damn thing forward and ended with "lol ausfailia pwnz u i trol hard" :roll:


:lol: :lol: :lol:


Had i not' you would still be crapping on about how you think that the best bans are american & how you think the usa invented music. :roll:


I just pointed out that you where wrong & full of horse crap.



SEE ............ It's right there.



Lashmar wrote:
Wing-Zero wrote:Appetite For Destruction.

The end to a great era. Make your move, peasant. ;)


Pretty pointless because you just won. :lol:



rath wrote:
Wing-Zero wrote:Appetite For Destruction.

The end to a great era. Make your move, peasant. ;)



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

AC/DC ..... BACK IN BLACK.

verses

Guns N’ Roses .... appetite for destruction.


Back in Black contains some of AC/DC's biggest hits, including "Hells Bells", "You Shook Me All Night Long", and the title track "Back in Black." According to Angus Young the album's all-black cover was a "sign of mourning" for Scott, as black is the traditional Western colour of mourning. It is AC/DC's best selling album, the second best-selling album of all time, and the biggest selling album by any band, with more than 49 million copies sold worldwide

In 2006 Back in Black was certified by the Recording Industry Association of America as the fifth best-selling album in the United States, with 22 million copies sold in the USA alone.

[size=200]Now, compare back in black with appetite for destruction.

Back in Black - with more than 49 million copies sold worldwide.
& with 22 million copies sold in the USA alone.

It sold an estimated 49 million copies to date, making it second only to Michael Jackson's Thriller as the best-selling album of all-time as well as the best selling album ever released by a band.

Appetite for Destruction accumulating worldwide sales of just over 28 million as of October.

# In 1989 Rolling Stone ranked Appetite for Destruction as the 20th best album of the 1980s.
# The same magazine later ranked it at sixty-one on their list of the 500 Greatest Albums of All Time.

2009 Sales Analysis: Guns N' Roses Vs. AC/DC

Guns N’ Roses’ Chinese Democracy sold only 255k in its first week as a Best Buy exclusive. Compared with the 802k tallied by AC/DC in it's first week.


AC/DC, Nirvana, Metallica, GNR Among the New Classics?
News
"They say the classics never go out of style, but they do. They do."

And now the AP bolsters that claim by citing new sales trends that show AC/DC, Bon Jovi, Guns N' Roses, as well as Nirvana and Metallica have bumped the Bob Marleys and the Pink Floyds down on the still-selling-well classics list.

The most interesting numbers from the article are last year's sales tallies for the following albums, all of which Yahoo!/the AP jacked from Neilsen Soundscan:

AC/DC - Back in Black (1980): 440,000
Metallica - Black Album (1991): 275,000
Bon Jovi - Cross Road (1994): 324,000
Guns N' Roses - Appetite for Destruction (1987): 124,000
Michael Jackson - Number Ones (2003): 162,000
Radiohead - Ok Computer (1997): 94,000
Nirvana - Nevermind (1991): 143,000
The Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin (1999): 38,000



Among albums that sold at least 20,000 copies last year include U2 - The Joshua Tree, Dr. Dre - The Chronic, Beck - Odelay, Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers), Weezer - The Blue Album and The Pixies - Doolittle.

Other best-of or greatest hits collections that continue to sell well include releases by Garth Brooks, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Tim McGraw, Creed, Queen, Tom Petty, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Def Leppard, Aerosmith and Lionel Richie.

On the other hand, sales for albums by ultra trendy mega-sellers like the Spice Girls, Bobby Brown, The Backstreet Boys, Ace of Base, Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey have dropped significantly.

Some of the things that can give past albums a boost include current events (like a new album release), the death of an artist, a biopic, a reissue and obviously, a reunion.

In fact that last point is currently being driven home by the reunion of The Police, whose 1986 compilation, Every Breath You Take has already sold 107,000 copies this year, which doubles its 2006 total.
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Re: Van Halen

Postby Wing-Zero » Sat Nov 21, 2009 3:51 pm

rath wrote:
I just pointed out that you where wrong & full of horse crap.



SEE ............ It's right there.


The only thing you've pointed out is how little you know about music, broseph.
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Re: Van Halen

Postby Mr_Headshot » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:03 am

Lol USA invent music....nobody here ever tried that argument because...it's not one.

It stands to argue just about as much as the argument about ausieland inventing metal.


If you want where metal (truly) came from you'll find it in two bands.

You have Blue Cheer and Steppenwolf

Blue cheer's "summertime blues" was the first (generally recognized) heavy metal song. Then you had born to be wild which made use of the term "heavy metal"

Now, Blue Cheer realeased that song in '68 AC/DC formed in '73

Call em softcock if you want, but without them your dudes wouldn't exist.
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Re: Van Halen

Postby rath » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:12 pm

Wing-Zero wrote:
rath wrote:
I just pointed out that you where wrong & full of horse crap.



SEE ............ It's right there.


The only thing you've pointed out is how little you know about music, broseph.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

If you say so.
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Re: Van Halen

Postby rath » Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:13 pm

Mr_Headshot wrote:Lol USA invent music....nobody here ever tried that argument because...it's not one.

It stands to argue just about as much as the argument about ausieland inventing metal.


If you want where metal (truly) came from you'll find it in two bands.

You have Blue Cheer and Steppenwolf

Blue cheer's "summertime blues" was the first (generally recognized) heavy metal song. Then you had born to be wild which made use of the term "heavy metal"

Now, Blue Cheer realeased that song in '68 AC/DC formed in '73

Call em softcock if you want, but without them your dudes wouldn't exist.



:roll: :roll: :roll:

If you say so.
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Re: Van Halen

Postby rath » Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:38 am

To sum up then ........ AC/DC kicked the sh*t out of Guns & Roses.

AC/DC is in the rock n roll hall of fame (( 1st metal band to do so ))

& Guns n Roses will never be in the rock n roll hall of fame.

Hall of Shame Maybe.
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