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Postby esecallum » Sun May 18, 2014 1:59 pm

I am so angry that russia has invaded crimea and trying to invade ukraine that i am wanting America to send troops and act public to as a trip wire to ukraine.

We need to stop tip toeing and stand up to bully russia.

we need to send tanks and troops to ukraine.

we need to send jeeps and generals to ukraine.

we need to stand tall and proud against russian menace.

that spineless worm obama is a disgrace.he is like a mouse running from a cat.

America is a bastion of freedom,democracy and right to life and happiness.
America is a guardian of the world and a policeman and defender to the worls oppressed.

i beseech you president of america to send an powerful army of righteous soldiers to defend freedom, demcracy and the right to life of the oppressed.

i am willing to go on the first plane and stand on the border of the ukraine against the beasts of russia.
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Postby greeney2 » Sun May 18, 2014 2:57 pm

You say you are willing to get on the first plane, but you haven't, and you will not, so don't expect the US public to start committing our kids to another war. Yes the USA should do something, but as far as I'm concerned boots on the ground are not one of them. Sanctions and diplomacy, negotiations, military support only to the extent of aiding with supplies, and humanitarian aid. If you want to preach for help, maybe its time some countries in Europe should let their troops go in and get shot at. Seems like this problem is right on the doorstep of European countries, most of which criticize US involvement in anything military. Until its in their backyard, they want our help. The United States is on every forefront of aggression from the middle east to Africa, Somolia, Libya, and how are we treated for it? Moral support and token involvement of coalition forces has amounted to next to nothing, while we count our dead kids. Its time Europe gets its own hand dirty on this one, and not expect the USA to sink Billions and thousands of troops, already fighting battles in other places.

Not just a few days ago, a Sgt Major was killed in action, who was one of the troops who rescued Pvt. Lynch in Iraq in 2003. The world expects our men and woman to live indefinitely in a state of war, while their contribution is zero. What do you expect from USA troops, when so many countries declare themselves neutral, and just go about their lives not caring. We do not have a draft, and the result is asking men like this Sgt. Major to serve way beyond what duty calls, for who and what? So other nations can just say "Not us", well this Ukraine problem is right in the laps of Europe, so tell them to saddle up and go fight the Russians, and this time we will give the moral support.
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Postby Wing-Zero » Sun May 18, 2014 4:10 pm

No.
War is an extension of economics and diplomacy through other means.

Economics and diplomacy are methods of securing resources used by humans.

Securing resources is the one necessary behavior for all living things.

War = Life
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Postby esecallum » Mon May 19, 2014 12:27 am

greeney2 wrote:You say you are willing to get on the first plane, but you haven't, and you will not, so don't expect the US public to start committing our kids to another war. Yes the USA should do something, but as far as I'm concerned boots on the ground are not one of them. Sanctions and diplomacy, negotiations, military support only to the extent of aiding with supplies, and humanitarian aid. If you want to preach for help, maybe its time some countries in Europe should let their troops go in and get shot at. Seems like this problem is right on the doorstep of European countries, most of which criticize US involvement in anything military. Until its in their backyard, they want our help. The United States is on every forefront of aggression from the middle east to Africa, Somolia, Libya, and how are we treated for it? Moral support and token involvement of coalition forces has amounted to next to nothing, while we count our dead kids. Its time Europe gets its own hand dirty on this one, and not expect the USA to sink Billions and thousands of troops, already fighting battles in other places.

Not just a few days ago, a Sgt Major was killed in action, who was one of the troops who rescued Pvt. Lynch in Iraq in 2003. The world expects our men and woman to live indefinitely in a state of war, while their contribution is zero. What do you expect from USA troops, when so many countries declare themselves neutral, and just go about their lives not caring. We do not have a draft, and the result is asking men like this Sgt. Major to serve way beyond what duty calls, for who and what? So other nations can just say "Not us", well this Ukraine problem is right in the laps of Europe, so tell them to saddle up and go fight the Russians, and this time we will give the moral support.



you keep talking about money.we can always print more in the form of quantitative easing.

it will good for business.jobs will be created.war stimulates the economy.
we will create more millionaires and billionaires.

you talk about troops being killed.so what .that is what they are for.they signed on the dotted line.the government owns them.

think of the advantages of supporting ukrine.
we can threaten the russikis from across the border.

we can put them in their proper place.at the bottom of the pile.

do you know they still Que for bread?

the russians have been a thorn in our side for decades.its time for payback.

they are clearly evil as confirmed by president ronald reagan who said they are an evil empire.

i am sick and tired of being bullied by muhammed,vladimer and abdula on the planet.its time we stood up to bullies.


we are clearly the good guys.
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Postby greeney2 » Mon May 19, 2014 7:59 am

Like I said, you talk a big story, but you are not on any airplane to stand up for the Ukraine, demonstrate with them, let alone go pick up a gun and fight for them. so just who do you think should be the ones who do? Everyone else's kids?

I have no idea what all the last gibberish from you was suppose to mean, but it was ridiculous from you as usual.

I also noticed you did not say a single word about this being a problem for Europe to get involved in, especially devoting there own military, and not the United States.

I have no idea where I ever talked about just printing up money, and if you say "So What to our kids being shot, that is what they are for", I say great, draft your kid, and put him on the front lines. Only an idiot would say that you just said, but one only needs to go back into your posts to figure you out. :roll:
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Postby frrostedman » Mon May 19, 2014 9:29 pm

esecallum,

Over 10 years ago, George Bush--with the backing of our allies and our Congress, enacted a global WAR ON TERROR. Soon afterward, half our Democrat Congressional leaders lost interest in the effort and turned on our President. Teamed together with the media, the Democrats announced their own WAR. And that war was against anyone else who supported the WAR ON TERROR. Eventually, the media and Democrats convinced the majority of Americans that the global effort to end terrorism was an evil plan which victimized innocent people and served only to achieve the selfish goals of an Imperial country (USA).

Finally, after years of propaganda, deception, and treachery, the Democrats and major media organizations achieved their goal; the majority of Americans could no longer stomach our involvement in this global war. This is precisely the reason we now have an under-qualified community organizer for a 2-term President. The alternative to Obama was a Republican President who would keep us involved in the war(s). This country, for better or for worse, is nowhere near ready to commit our army to another war. And our disgrace of a president has so weakened and demoralized our military that even with Russia completely not battle-ready, we'd probably still be in over our heads by taking them on. Our military is not ready, and our people have no interest in it. It's just not going to happen anytime soon.

So blame 10 years of dishonest propaganda by our Liberal leaders and media for it, but, Ukraine is on their own as far as we are concerned. So are the Syrian citizens and the Nigerian Christians. And sadly, esecallum... as long as Obama is our President, the people and armies of Israel are on their own, too. In fact, not only is Israel on its own, but if Israel attacks Iran, Obama will probably commit our troops in support of Iran. Israel needs to be very careful during these crazy times.
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Postby esecallum » Wed May 21, 2014 12:29 am

frrostedman wrote:esecallum,

Over 10 years ago, George Bush--with the backing of our allies and our Congress, enacted a global WAR ON TERROR. Soon afterward, half our Democrat Congressional leaders lost interest in the effort and turned on our President. Teamed together with the media, the Democrats announced their own WAR. And that war was against anyone else who supported the WAR ON TERROR. Eventually, the media and Democrats convinced the majority of Americans that the global effort to end terrorism was an evil plan which victimized innocent people and served only to achieve the selfish goals of an Imperial country (USA).

Finally, after years of propaganda, deception, and treachery, the Democrats and major media organizations achieved their goal; the majority of Americans could no longer stomach our involvement in this global war. This is precisely the reason we now have an under-qualified community organizer for a 2-term President. The alternative to Obama was a Republican President who would keep us involved in the war(s). This country, for better or for worse, is nowhere near ready to commit our army to another war. And our disgrace of a president has so weakened and demoralized our military that even with Russia completely not battle-ready, we'd probably still be in over our heads by taking them on. Our military is not ready, and our people have no interest in it. It's just not going to happen anytime soon.

So blame 10 years of dishonest propaganda by our Liberal leaders and media for it, but, Ukraine is on their own as far as we are concerned. So are the Syrian citizens and the Nigerian Christians. And sadly, esecallum... as long as Obama is our President, the people and armies of Israel are on their own, too. In fact, not only is Israel on its own, but if Israel attacks Iran, Obama will probably commit our troops in support of Iran. Israel needs to be very careful during these crazy times.


But we could send action volunteers easily.Many people would love kick russian butt and we should send them so they have an outlet for their aggressive tendencies.the bullets they waste on target practice would be used in promoting American interests.

remember the russians have been waging a proxy war against America for decades.

we need to stand up and be proud and strong and not flinch.

remember putin is evil.he is a secret police man.he has blood on his hands.he tortured thoysands.look at his genocide in chechchyna.millions killed by him and his cronies.
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Postby greeney2 » Wed May 21, 2014 8:52 am

You sure have no ability to answer any questions to you esecallum. Just how many times and how many places do you think we should be first, and the only ones committing troops, in the same absence of any other country, that are right next door? I do not see Greece, Italy, France, Turkey, or any middle east country, or anyone else on the borders. Exactly who are all these volunteers who volunteered to protect this country, not every other place on the face of the earth. When they did, namely protecting the United States from Terrorism, and going into the middle east, they got crucified for it, and called war criminal by all the liberals.

As I said, you do not have a ticket to go, nor anyone in your family, and would venture to guess you could not name a single relative who even served in our military. But you are quick to volunteer those who do serve.

Your life would not be disrupted, and we already know you are never going to go to the Ukraine, or anyone in you family. But if you are serious, I say, we should volunteer your job and livelyhood, plus all your families, render you all unemployed and devote every dime of your income to the effort to aid the Ukraine. Lets sell your cars and home and use the proceeds for ammunition, and pull your kids out of school devoting that money to weapons. That way you would be doing your part for a cause you are so fast to kill our kids doing.
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Postby frrostedman » Wed May 21, 2014 6:53 pm

esecallum wrote:But we could send action volunteers easily.Many people would love kick russian butt and we should send them so they have an outlet for their aggressive tendencies.the bullets they waste on target practice would be used in promoting American interests.

remember the russians have been waging a proxy war against America for decades.

we need to stand up and be proud and strong and not flinch.

remember putin is evil.he is a secret police man.he has blood on his hands.he tortured thoysands.look at his genocide in chechchyna.millions killed by him and his cronies.


Although it would never fly, I relish the idea of emptying our prisons into the Ukraine. Their only training would be in the form of intense brainwashing. A 2-week course that once finished, has them conditioned to KILL anything red, that moves. Pay the prisoners in crystal meth, per Russian scalp.

Get 'er done! I'll sign the petition!
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Postby greeney2 » Thu May 22, 2014 12:13 am

Lets make esecallem their commanding General, he wants to lead the troops into battle and liberate the Ukraine. he already has his plane ticket to get there. :lol:
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