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Postby Jaack » Mon May 11, 2009 2:41 pm

Jaack wrote:
rath wrote:& the worlds first democratic elections were held in Australia.

The democratic system of electing a government that the USA & most of the world is built on, The system of voting via a a private ballet.

Is called the Australian Electral System.


Hey cap'n. that's Austrian, Austrian ballot system not australian. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLLLLLLllllll


Ok I was wrong,

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOLL LOL LOL LOLLLLlllllllllllllllll
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Postby Tairaa » Tue May 12, 2009 3:39 pm

Dark-Samus wrote:So God is a girl who´s black? :?
I see...well...atleast God is not a man then :roll:


God obviously IS a man, because no woman could F*** up the world as bad as it is. ;)
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Postby Nesaie » Wed May 13, 2009 12:23 am

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Nesaie wrote:This is so off topic, but...it's been done before.

Who reads an author and actually cares whether or not he/she is gay? Do gay people do this? I don't. Screamer, are you gay? If not, why would you care if Menken is gay or not? That's just weird. Wait :!: Did you fall in love with is mind? :o :idea: That may explain a lot. ;)

I've never cared if somebody is gay or not. Who somebody sleeps with is no business of mine unless that person happens to be me. Considering this dude is dead, it will never be me.

Did you read his writings on the Scopes monkey trials? I found those quite satirical and entertaining. :D

Menken is also referred to as a Libertarian before the word was coined. Personally, I'd categorize him as an Anarchistic Libertarian, but...that is just my opinion. You claim that he put FDR, Churchill, Stalin, and Hitler all in the same category. If so, and you didn't provide a document/link, they are all in the category of government. Menken was very anti-big government, unlike the fascists like Stalin or the combination fascist/commie neo-cons or the bought for paid tools like FDR and Churrchill. Don't get me wrong, there are things I like about Churchill, but there are things I like about Nixon too. FDR? Not so much.

As far as your article about the poll? Less than 3,000 people were polled. What is the population of Iraq? Who did they ask?

No matter, it didn't have anything to do with what I originally said, as usual. I was referring to all the documents that will later be released about CIA torture and CIA support of terrorism, because the the MEK "only" are terrorists against Iran. Oh yeah! My tax money goes for terrorism. Wahoo! The US Army treats them as VIPs. That is the crap I want released.

How in the world, can a fascist government claim a "war against terrorism" (AKA a military technique) and at the same time support terrorists the MEK), AND "WE THE PEOPLE DON'T NOTICE"?



Maybe...because the pentagon is stealing tax payer money to pay people to "correct news stories"? Isn't that what you do screamer? Or is it that drug called TV? I like to call it the propaganda machine. Stalin would be so proud.


You don't see the morale relation to rationalizing; relativism and Big Government? How government selfishness is at the root of tyranny?...maybe I'm just coding with sarcasm to much. You see...it makes me sick....just pisses me off:

I.) Gay was not the issue w/ Mencken's pseudo-socialist, genious, sardonic, relativistic value system of acrimonious objectivity. A libertarian can be left or right and here is a big difference. His being gay was just an astute observation prior to my verifying him as bi-curious. Just needlin' some aggravation is all...an interesting tid bit of info unlike a true rabbit trail FYI. (by the way this is to point w/ your suggested request that I should read him...on track with your distant request that I should read him? ...don't 'member? - I did. :D Screw off the thread. [It's called an ambush rebuttal]) :roll: ...and now you will see the irony...relatively maybe soon...hopefully (if you can)...and it is "gay" indeed.

II.) This IS in direct response to your fascist babble of America: We would not have Big Government (leftist code word for socialism) if such berating relativism weren't taught in our schools for the last damn 60 years. Because of it we are now heading towards a fascist state and have been incrementally since FDR. Now were slamming into it tanks to Obumer. There, dammit. Figured it out for you. What's up?

III.) Mencken as a mentor sucks whale bone. He had good points and not liking Big Government was one, but his discretion as to who or what was responsible was a bit shaky. (He lumped Hitler; Roosevelt; Stalin and another that wasn't dictatorial into one category . It was a Patently erroneous listing on his part. He exposes some ignorance here. This is a major red flag in his "philosophy"...and this not to mention his racist schisms. Read Mencken "closer"...but he is so damn good and ;prolific at writing rhetorical wit that the cretin is overwhelming...very much like a dichotomy. His crap was exactly that as far as I am concerned.)

If that is to overwhelming try to compartmentalize (male trait) the info into three separate strata and analyze them objectively. ( abstract perception -another strong male trait).

1)Not about gay (a mere observation about Mencken the pervert ) but of R-E-L-A-T-I-V-I-S-M

2) Relativism psychologically relates to big government rationale as subversive turpitude in society at large. (screw what the spaznoid excremental experts say)

3) Mencken as a mentor sucks whale bone. ( just a little hard ball Humor there_ ...if it's at all possible he is an objective relativist...and real bright at it and why he's an enigma). This type "intellectual" foraging has so dominated our education 'world wide' in the West for 60 years and it is s-o-o-o-o fugged up. Point.


Now assimilate the info after close scrutiny (You hopefully have the facilities to do this) and you Will conclude what a social jack rip social relativism is. It is the spermatozoa of tyranny. I.E. big government as in CHINA or American Socialism (gA-ag) or Euroweenie cultural capitulation.
Pertinent enough?


:)

I'm not sure why I really read any of this, or responded...but I'll blame the wine tonight and LA again :(

Forgive me for continuing this off topic part of the post. :( Yet it seemed to have already derailed.

The other day, I was talking to a friend of mine, who used to do heroine (don't believe what AA says, I've known a few ex-heroine addicts who are still alive, not in jail). She was telling me that when she was doing drugs, and she'd read books, she would try to figure out if they too did drugs...and which ones. I suspect it is similar with you screamer. I suspect that when you read books, you want to see if they too have something in common with you. I used to do the same when I was a kid, I liked movies with other kids in them...about my age.

Could this be a reason that you put that whole gay thing on Menken? Are you gay?

As far as psychology, the "father of psychology" never read Antigone and didn't understand the Oedipus trilogy (nor did he read it as intended).

I'm glad you read Menken. Did you read his writings covering the Scopes/Monkey trials? I found those quite entertaining.
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Postby screamzero » Wed May 13, 2009 12:56 am

Damnit nessaie. It's about relativism. Big government is about relativism. Social engineering is about relativism. Chinese politics is about relativism. There power play from the wealth they have from rationalizing a western 'sin' -capitalism -into their communist mechanism is relativist rationale. so now they have a lot of muscle that's spooking the Japanese.

Rationalizing your sex is to relate with a standard of values that give permission to do a natural thing strangely...relativism - Mencken was objectively relativist (which is an oxymoron). Every thing screwing up this planet that does not use a stable moral benchmark such as from philosophies that conclude truths with two true premises; varied theologies that provide rationalizations toward peace and harmony and don't justify with the curse of relativism is what is missing from western society and the world at large. Fundamental premises that made America legend... What about relativism do you not under stand!

Relativism:
Relativism is not a single doctrine but a family of views whose common theme is that some central aspect of experience, thought, evaluation, or even reality is somehow relative to something else. For example standards of justification, moral principles or truth are sometimes said to be relative to language, culture, or biological makeup. Although relativistic lines of thought often lead to very implausible conclusions, there is something seductive about them, and they have captivated a wide range of thinkers from a wide range of traditions.

Relativistic motifs turn up in virtually every area of philosophy. Many versions of descriptive relativism (described below) bear on issues in the philosophy of social science concerning the understanding and interpretation of alien cultures or distant historical epochs. Other versions bear on issues in the philosophy of mind about mental content. Still others bear on issues in the philosophy of science about conceptual change and incommensurability.

Relativistic themes have also spilled over into areas outside of philosophy; for example, they play a large role in today's "culture wars." Some strains of ethical relativism (also described below) even pose threats to our standards and practices of evaluation and, through this, to many of our social and legal institutions. And the suggestion that truth or justification are somehow relative would, if correct, have a dramatic impact on the most fundamental issues about objectivity, knowledge, and intellectual progress.

Relativistic arguments often begin with plausible, even truistic premises--e.g., that we are culturally and historically situated creatures, that justification cannot go on forever, that we cannot talk without using language or think without using concepts--only to end up with implausible, even inconsistent, conclusions. There is little consensus, however, about how to block the slide from inviting points of departure to uninviting destinations.

Both sides in debates over relativism tend to oversimplify the views of the other side. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that relativistic theses often come in two forms: a bold and arresting version, which is proclaimed, and a weaker, less vulnerable version, which is defended--with the first having a tendency to morph into the second when under attack. Relativism also often sounds better in the abstract than it does when we get down to actual cases, which often turn out to be rather trivial, on the one hand, or quite implausible, on the other. But it is also true that most academic philosophers in the English-speaking world see the label ‘relativist’ as the kiss of death, so few have been willing to defend any version of the doctrine (there is less reluctance in some other disciplines). Indeed, many explicit characterizations of relativism are to be found in the writings of unsympathetic opponents, who sketch flimsy versions to provide easy targets for criticism.

Discussions of relativism are also frequently marred by all-or-none thinking. Phrases like “everything is relative” and “anything goes” suggest versions of relativism that, as we will see, often are inconsistent. But to conclude that there are no interesting versions of relativism is to err in the opposite direction. Often the important question is whether there is a space for an interesting and plausible version of relativism between strong but implausible versions (e.g., all truth is relative), on the one hand, and plausible but trivial versions (e.g., some standards of etiquette are relative), on the other.

Finally, relativistic themes are frequently defended under alternative banners like ‘pluralism’ or ‘constructivism’ (with a particular author's line between relativism and pluralism typically marking off those views he likes from those he doesn't). I will use the label ‘relativist’ for all such views, with the understanding that many species of relativism may be plausible or even true. But it is the views, not the labels, that are important.

Section one contains a sketch of the general form of many relativistic claims and maps the general terrain. Section two explores the main things that have been thought to be relative and section three the main things they have been relativized to. Section four presents the chief motivations and arguments for relativism, and section five is devoted to the major responses to the major relativistic themes. After section one the sections, and in many cases subsections, are relatively modular, and readers can use the detailed tables of contents, an index, and hyperlinks in the text to locate the topics of most interest to them.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/relativism/
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Postby Dark-Samus » Wed May 13, 2009 12:57 am

God obviously IS a man, because no woman could F*** up the world as bad as it is.


Yeah that´s true, but since scream thinks the world is a wonderful place, he thinks that God is a woman. :lol:
But yes, the world is fucked because MEN thinks GOD is a MAN and therefore must have DOMINION over WOMEN..,. blabla bla :roll: :roll:
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Postby mael » Wed May 13, 2009 2:13 am

Dark-Samus wrote:
God obviously IS a man, because no woman could F*** up the world as bad as it is.


Yeah that´s true, but since scream thinks the world is a wonderful place, he thinks that God is a woman. :lol:
But yes, the world is fucked because MEN thinks GOD is a MAN and therefore must have DOMINION over WOMEN..,. blabla bla :roll: :roll:


Must be the depressing weather in Sweden, and envy of Norwegians.
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Postby Nesaie » Wed May 13, 2009 9:23 pm

Must be the depressing weather in Sweden, and envy of Norwegians.


:o

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Postby Dark-Samus » Thu May 14, 2009 1:41 am

I love rain and thunder, I hate the sun.
So no to me it´s not a depressing weather. :roll:
Atleast my brain is cooled down while yours is heated :roll: :roll: :twisted:
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Postby mael » Thu May 14, 2009 2:31 pm

Dark-Samus wrote:I love rain and thunder, I hate the sun.
So no to me it´s not a depressing weather. :roll:
Atleast my brain is cooled down while yours is heated :roll: :roll: :twisted:


Norwegians are much more pragmatic.

You can see what Sweden is like by watching the lemmings.

The lemmings discover that they are in Sweden and then run at full-speed to the fjords in Norway.

They are so driven with panic from seeing people like you that they don't slow down in time and hundreds of thousands of them leap to their deaths.

That's partly your fault. Poor little lemmings.
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