greeney2 wrote:How do you figure the WPA projects didn't provide jobs to people unemployed at the time in the depression. People were glad to get those jobs. The Hoover Dam was one of those projects.
I don't want to steer this thread in the wrong direction but the answer does apply to the space program so...
Socialists never comprehend economics, oy! Government spending does nothing to increase the size of the pie. The pie represents the wealth of the nation. If the population is increasing and you are not increasing the wealth (the size of the pie) then the people are getting poorer. Poverty is what causes most problems. All government does is transfer wealth around in inside the pie. That does nothing accept choose the winners and the losers. It is corruption.
All socialists in the US should be forced by law to take a college economics class. Economics is not a political philosophy. Its a fact of life.
Same goes with the space program. Being run by government means that any wealth that could be generated by space exploration will not occur and instead the country throws gobs of money down a black hole and accomplishes little if anything in the process. We've got to get space exploration out of the hands of government for it to ever amount to anything.
The US is on the WRONG path.
One of the most important responsibilities of governance, regardless of the Political/Economic system, is the re-allocation of wealth. That is a simple fact. Why this is true should be fairly obvious. Government, of any kind, would not be necessary if it was'nt. Whether or not Government is necessary or not is another discussion, but since I can't off the top of my head think of an example of a group of humans living together without some form of it, it probably is.
And "government spending" which by definition is the re-allocation of wealth, CAN "increase the size of the pie". But only when that spending is done in the form of an investment in the real economy. The purpose of an investment is to increase the size of the pie. The early space program is actually an exelent example of this. So, in their way, were the WPA projects.
Yes. The US is on the wrong path. We are on the wrong path because, in our theoretically democratic system, we refuse to be responsible for the direction our government takes, or to hold them accountable when they act against our well being. Or possibly we are incapable of being responsible. Has nothing at all to do with liberals or conservatives, socialism vs. capitolism.
As we agrue over whether or not socialists need ecomomics lessons or free markets always magically self adjust and save the day, we fail to recognize, regardless of the currently effective disguize, we have the same "system" we have had for the last several thousand years, which, if it was allowed to have a name, more closely resembles a form of feudalism. I'm pretty sure that the microscopic minority in control of all the real wealth DOES hold the government accountable when it acts against their interests. Socialists may need economics lessons, but we might all benifit from a little lessson in proportions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woIkIph5xcU
. It boggles the mind.
NASA's budget represents substantially less than 1% of total "Government Spending". Insignificant next to the other great planet swallowing holes we allow the "government" to shovel our wealth into. It is also one of the few proven money makers for government spending, in terms of benefits for everyone. Yet it is always a target for cuts, in a big, public way ("we should solve our problems here on earth.." bla bla bla...), and when money is spent, it is invariably spent on old contracts, old technology...
There is a mystery here. Or are we truly all such complete idiots?