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Postby greeney2 » Fri May 31, 2013 11:53 am

Our resident atheists seem to have all abandoned ship here, but here is another court case of the American Atheists in the Supreme Court again.


Atheists ask high court to review Ky. law
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Published: Nov. 19, 2012 at 1:09 PM


FRANKFORT, Ky., Nov. 19 (UPI) -- The advocacy group American Atheists is asking the U.S. Supreme Court to hear its challenge of a Kentucky law giving God credit for the safety of the country.

In a petition, attorney Edwin Kagin argued that Kentucky lawmakers disregarded the constitutional prohibition against public sponsorship of religion, The (Louisville, Ky.) Courier-Journal reported Sunday.

At issue is a law passed after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in which a 2002 "legislative finding" said the "safety and security of the commonwealth cannot be achieved apart from reliance upon Almighty God," The Courier-Journal said. A 2006 act that created Kentucky's Office of Homeland Security required its leadership to publicize "dependence on Almighty God" in training and educational materials, as well as in plaques.

In 2008, Franklin Circuit Judge Thomas Wingate upheld a challenge, ruling the state "created an official government position on God."

The state Court of Appeals in 2011 voted 2-1 to reverse the decision, saying the law "merely pays lip service to a commonly held belief" in the power of God.

The Kentucky Supreme Court declined to hear the case.

In his petition to the U.S. Supreme Court, Kagin wrote, "This new legislation should not be swept under the ceremonial deism rug, especially as it ostracizes atheists from politics."

The legislation, Kagin wrote, implies that atheists are "dangerous to the post-9/11 security of the Commonwealth" while contributing to "bias and stereotypes about atheists," and was part of a broader "misguided push to improperly mix religion and government" by Kentucky lawmakers.

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Postby frrostedman » Fri May 31, 2013 10:04 pm

In order to bring a case, there must be damages. The crux of the Atheist case in this matter seems to be that Atheists are "ostracized from politics" in KY. Ok, if that is the argument, then they should be able to cite examples of where outwardly Atheistic people were denied positions or benefits that otherwise they would have received had they been believers.

So if they did have this evidence to present, I think the Supreme Court would be compelled to hear the case. Since the Supreme Court refused to hear it, I conclude that the Atheist group had no such evidence to bring to the table.
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Postby at1with0 » Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:18 pm

God sucks at his job of protecting America.
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Postby orangetom1999 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:59 am

at1with0 wrote:God sucks at his job of protecting America.



LOL LOL LOL...and God is obligated...to protect us why???

We deserve Divine protection...by entitlement....why???

Are we any better and more obedient than Ancient Israel..who lost the land because of their stiff necked Disobedience and "Whoredom??"

Particularly our leadership..hell bent on selling, bartering, and trading the very souls of all Americans for political lucre...translate that as "Political Whoredom."

Think it through and it will make perfect sense. American is going rapidly down the road as are and did other nations..in disobedience to Gods Way. And it is being done in exactly the same way as Ancient times...spiritual corruption/wickedness in high places. Nothing new under the sun.


The Atheists are just an outward manifestation of how far down the American System has become in the hands of leadership..that they can take most of the nation and make them default over to their belief systems of the glory of men. That they can make most of the nation default over to second, third place or further down the line to accommodate them ...by default. This is exactly the tack other special interest groups are using by playing the standard issue...."Victim Card."

The women's groups
The Muslim groups
The Racial Groups
The homosexual groups

and other victimized groups are now using this template to defaut through against the bulk of Americans and on the public purse.


It becomes obvious to many who can still think ..that all these groups are being run at the top by someone controlling all of them in a direction and for a purpose.
They are being used or misused as a change agent on Americans..towards a goal and for a purpose.



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Postby at1with0 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 9:28 am

I guess you're unfamiliar with the concept of sarcasm.
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Postby greeney2 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:50 am

orangetom1999 wrote:Are we any better and more obedient than Ancient Israel..who lost the land because of their stiff necked Disobedience and "Whoredom??"

Particularly our leadership..hell bent on selling, bartering, and trading the very souls of all Americans for political lucre...translate that as "Political Whoredom."


We are a democracy, and you elected them OT, we are our government, and you helped put them in office.

orangetom1999 wrote:The Atheists are just an outward manifestation of how far down the American System has become in the hands of leadership..that they can take most of the nation and make them default over to their belief systems of the glory of men. That they can make most of the nation default over to second, third place or further down the line to accommodate them ...by default. This is exactly the tack other special interest groups are using by playing the standard issue...."Victim Card."

The women's groups
The Muslim groups
The Racial Groups
The homosexual groups

and other victimized groups are now using this template to defaut through against the bulk of Americans and on the public purse.


What if some of their real issues make them real victims, how else can they be solved other than forming groups.
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Postby orangetom1999 » Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:29 pm

Greeny2,

We are a democracy, and you elected them OT, we are our government, and you helped put them in office.


Hmmm...I thought the Constitution gauranteed to every state in the Union a Republic..not a democracy Greeny2???



I did indeed help elect them...but what happens when more and more..it becomes obvious that the product is not as advertised???

Even unto obviously going against the very charter under which they have sworn an oath to obey??? And substitute quietly and privily another charter..another obedience...another god???

I believe this is becoming more and more obvious today...that there is another program going on ..not the one for which they have been elected or taken oaths to obey.

I also dont think this is a new thing.


What if some of their real issues make them real victims, how else can they be solved other than forming groups.


This is not at all what I am getting at nor am I interested in this. I am interested in whether a government can hold a whole nation of people hostage to a minority and at public expense get the majority of people to be censored and standby while these others play through at the expense and liability of the majority.

And for what reason would a government take this tack or goal...holding the whole nation hostage to this template?? Even against the charter of the people..and the limits on government??...by putting limits on the people..not on government. To make a more free government and a limited people?? To unbind the government from the chains of the Consitution.

That is what is of interest to me Greeny2. Why would a government under a republic...not a democracy ..take this tack..this road??


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