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Postby capricorn » Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:53 am

infowars.com wrote:Doctors kill 2,450% more Americans than all gun-related deaths combined

Everyone agrees the Sandy Hook shooting was a tragedy. Lots of people subsequently exploited the deaths of those children to push a political agenda of disarming Americans by claiming “guns kill people.”
But compared to what? Swimming pools kill people. Horseback riding kills people. And yes, even childbirth kills people. (Does that mean we should criminalize getting pregnant?)
To make any sense of death statistics, we have to ask, “Compared to what?” Because if we compare deaths by firearms to other causes of death, the picture is very, very different from the doomsday fear mongering scenarios CNN and other gun control pushers have whipped up into a nationwide frenzy. In fact, as the following infographic shows, doctors kill 2,450% more Americans than all gun-related deaths combined.
Your doctor is FAR more likely to kill you than an armed criminal


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Source: http://www.infowars.com/doctors-kill-24 ... -combined/
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Postby greeney2 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:45 am

As much as I love any legitimate position on gun control, this is not a valid argument. Sorry but being unable to save a life, is not the same as killing someone. Failing to be able to stop Gods calling is not murder, intent or, anything compared to out right murder with a gun. In addition, Swimming is an accident again sometimes we are too late and life can not be saved, or ends in traumatic brain damage. Horseback riding again is an accident and we all remember Christopher Reeve, who they did save and lived many years until a complication took him. And people still die today in child birth but very rare. None of these are murder nor being killed by your Doctor, so that argument is really wrong.

As a side note, just this week a man in Newport Beach area, 70 something years old, went into his doctors office, and shot and killed him, a devoted a well respected urologist, age 53. Motive unknown but it appears his diagnosis was an issue.
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Postby capricorn » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:40 pm

Greeney, this argument I feel is very valid.

We are not talking about God's wrath, we are talking about actions that Physicians have taken that resulted in a patients death... such as erroneously prescribing medications.. or over dosing a patient.

I work in the healthcare industry and medical errors are a serious issue.

Case in point... Michael Jackson.
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Postby greeney2 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:30 pm

First, Michael Jackson, and a long list of famous people like Elvis are examples of gross criminal negligence, and as you know Conrad Murray is in prison for it. Murray did something so out of the ordinary, it could not even be considered in any rhelm as the healthcare industry you work in.

That said, your list includes statistics that include bedsores, which are, as you know a primary concern with long term bedridden cases. Nobody takes out a box of bedsores and says, "I'm going to kill you with these", but they do with a box of bullets. Yes there are adverse reactions to prescription medications, but don't we also deem them controlled substances, regulated by FDA, dispensed only by prescriptions obtained by doctors, where bullets can be bought by anyone practically. Medical mistakes to happen, as do gun accidents, usually because if some unintentional error. Nobody plans to accidentally fire a gun, and no Doctor intentionally plans to slip with the scalpel. Yes you do have gross malpractice, and you do have straight A GPA doctors, along with those who made it out of med school, and the bottom of the GPA scale. It is called "Skill level".

Comparing the 2 charts Homicide vs. Medical, apply one word to the statistics. Apply the word INTENT! Did the shooter INTEND to kill someone? 100% would probably say yes. Did the shooter intend to shoot himself dead by suicide? Again the intent was Yes. Did the doctors intend to kill someone in all the categories listed from drug reactions, surgery, to bedsores? 100% of the time, you would have to answer NO.

I am not talking about God's wrath, I was just talking about when God tells us it is your time, Doctors are not God.
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Postby capricorn » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:21 pm

Sorry I meant to say Gods calling.

Anyway, what is worse? Intent or negligence? If a patient dies from bedsores that is negligence. The Dr should have ordered instructions to move the patient x times a day.

A Dr choose his profession and legally commits to a moral code of conduct. He is compensated greatly for his work. To not obey this code at the risk of a human life is on par with the criminal with murderous intent.
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Postby greeney2 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:14 pm

Intent is the ingredient that separates all the degrees of Murder and manslaughter. Negligence may not be intended, it is a standard applied to a service. Negligence can be criminal negligence however, but not in all cases. There is a fine line between Negligence, criminal negligence and simple malpractice. Many times it is the insurance companies that run the show and force the doctors to release people. Insurance companies refuse certain services.
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