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Postby Nigfis » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:09 am

I'm not too sure about the facts in that Russian-based report John. The National Police Air Service is a new organisation that is currently rearranging police aircraft so they are run from a single op-room, rather than the current arrangement where each force tends its own patch with its own aircraft.
Drones will prove inevitable though. After all, we are losing the 'war on terror'. The Afghans are proving unbeatable again...... You'd think we'd all learn from history eh? This isn't the first time we've been beaten in Afghanistan. It is the US' though.


Anyway. Your drones are already on order. Have been since February 2011?

Someone sounds upset too:.....

US Police State Orders 30,000 Spy Drones Over America. Why?
US Police State - on 2/10/2012 we find the corrupt US Congress has approved ( President Obama the socialist communist Marxist fascist Nazi has signed) a law funding 30,000 SPY DRONES over America.

Now, on 2/10/2012 we find the corrupt US Congress has approved (and President Obama the socialist communist Marxist fascist Nazi has signed) a law funding 30,000 DEVIL DRONE UNMANNED AIRCRAFT[.b] for use inside America's boundaries at the behest of the Department of Homeland Security. Bill, HR 658, the FAA Air Transportation Modernization and Safety Improvement Act authorizes the manufacture and deployment of the dreadful spy drones by 2015 at a cost of $63.4 Billion which may not include the cost of supporting and maintaining them after they are deployed. I thought we were cutting spending. Who are the financial power elite enabling - military industrial complex crony capitalists getting the spy drone construction contracts?

With the passage of the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 - Section 903, the Department of Homeland Security gets its WAASS (Wide Area Aerial Surveillance System) of unmanned drones capable of viewing 16 square kilometers. Here are the specs:

The primary objective of WAASS is to provide persistent, long-term surveillance over urban and rural terrain at least the size of 16 km2. The surveillance system shall have an electro-optical capability for daylight missions but can have an infrared capability for day or night operations. The sensor shall integrate with an airborne platform for data gathering. The imagery data shall be displayed at a DHS operations center and have the capability for forensic analysis within 36 hours of the flight.

HR 658 Section 903 a.k.a. Skynet Surveillance Enabling Act of 2012 would:

• Require the FAA to simplify and speed up the process by which it issues permission to government agencies to operate drones. It must do this within 90 days. The FAA has already been working on a set of proposed regulations to loosen the rules around drones, reportedly set for release in the spring of 2012.

• Require the FAA to allow “a government public safety agency” to operate any drone weighing 4.4 pounds or less as long as certain conditions are met (within line of sight, during the day, below 400 feet in altitude, and only in safe categories of airspace).

• Require the FAA to establish a pilot project within six months to create six test zones for integrating drones “into the national airspace system.”

• Require the FAA to create a comprehensive plan “to safely accelerate the integration of civil unmanned aircraft systems into the national airspace system.” “Civil” drones mean those operated by the private sector; currently it is all but impossible for any non-government entity, except for hobbyists, to get permission to fly drones (for-profit use of drones is banned). Industry groups and their congressional supporters see this as a potential area for growth. Congress specifies that the plan must provide for the integration of drones into the national airspace system “as soon as practicable, ” - and not later than September 30, 2015.” The FAA has nine months to create the plan. The FAA is also required to create a “5-year roadmap for the introduction” of civil drones into the national airspace.

• Require the FAA to publish a final rule within 18 months after the comprehensive plan is submitted, “Which will allow” civil operation of small (under 55 pounds) drones in the national airspace, and a proposed rule for carrying out the comprehensive plan.

What are they going to do to us next? Equip these drones with HELLFIRE MISSLES and kill citizens - men, women and children - like they did in Waco, Texas? President Obama just OK’d a bomb armed drone to kill U.S. citizen and terrorist suspect Anwar al Awlaki in Pakistan with no formal charge or trial. President Obama makes a habit of doing these unconstitutional acts - he hates America and he is definitely a puppet for the elite.

There is no reason to have such 24/7 surveillance of American citizens other than the usual global governance bunch fear-based ploy of scaring the middle class into relinquishing the last of its money and power to the Anglo American financial power elite central "Banksters" who own or control all 110 central banks that print money out of thin air and who want a one-world government. This would mean 600 spy drones per state. What Safety? It is going to be 30,000 times more unsafe. If you fly a light airplane around our country you are likely to smack into one by accident – the deadly drones can’t see your Cessna coming.

A US police state response like this must mean the politicians expect massive American citizen revulsion against the coming PHONY Iran War leading into PHONY World War Three. The corrupt Congress must also expect widespread food riots and protests in the coming deflation economy and Greater Depression. Why don’t you hear about any of this? Well, because the evil elite own all the mainstream media. That’s why! If it is in the major newspapers or on the nightly news you can BELIVE THE OPPOSITE!

This is their nefarious plots modus operandi - create chaos and offer bigger government and even one world government as the best solution. So, out of chaos comes order - a new world order. Act now or expect a future in which you, your children and your children's children are slaves to the Big Brother bunch of godless demigods who want to be kings in a NEW DARK AGES.

Only the truth told by the "INTERNET REFORMATION" about this elite “DIRECTED HISTORY” toward one world government totalitarian fascism and a return to private gold backed money can save us. Only gold is honest and not someone else's debt. Join the internet reformation revolution! ASAP! We have to all hang together or we will each hang separately. This US POLICE STATE subterfuge is TYRRANY!

Copyright 2012 by Delwyn Lounsbury - THE DEFLATION GURU
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Postby Nigfis » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:11 am

blackvault wrote:Just adding to the information... of course I have an opinion.

Uuuuhuh!.... And would you care to share this opinion?
Yunno, this being the place designed, by you, to do that very thing, an-all.... :crazy:
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Postby blackvault » Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:32 am

You knock my source, yet you offer a "Free-Press-Release.com" link to a press release by some "One World Order" group?

Here's my opinion... you aren't researching.

Senate Bill #1867? Have you even tried to research this? If you Google it, a bunch of "Patriot" sites come up, "Free Republic" sites, but no reliable source that says our freedoms are going to be overrun, and the days of Marshall Law are among us. It was nearly a 1,000 page bill, and people were up in arms over a couple paragraphs. It was all grossly overexaggerated... and does nothing like you copy and pasted below. Plus, this was passed about a year ago, and not a single case of anything that people were claiming was going to happen, actually happened.

In HR 658: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112h ... 658enr.pdf

and in FAA MODERNIZATION AND REFORM ACT OF 2012 to Accompany HR 658: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CRPT-112hr ... rpt381.pdf

There is no mention of the "Wide Area Aerial Surveillance System" or "WAASS".

You can try and instigate whatever you want with me by saying this:

Yunno, this being the place designed, by you, to do that very thing, an-all.... :roll:


But it's just downright sad, however. I would expect more from you... like a valid point.
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Postby Nigfis » Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:25 pm

blackvault wrote:You knock my source, yet you offer a "Free-Press-Release.com" link to a press release by some "One World Order" group?


Well here's the thing John. Your 'information post' was a bunch of tripe. I don't even understand why you bothered posting it. Its like having a flashback to the bad old days of the forum when every post pointing out something about your precious USA got a response post that could be almost guaranteed to say, 'I know I am but what are you.'... Which does nothing but spoil the discussion. I thought you were better than this, frankly. You are far too quick to enter combat-mode instead of staying civil.
The topic I started was to discuss how you-all felt about the 'war on terror' now, in light of the extraordinary measures being taken in the name of 'security'.
When I mentioned your source, I also gave my reasoning. Did you even bother to read what I wrote? If so, you shouldl understand why I questioned the accuracy of your source. There's no need to sulk about it. Geez.

Here's my opinion... you aren't researching.

Aren't researching what now? No biggie. These drones will be deployed within the US, we both know enough to accept that.

.....but no reliable source that says our freedoms are going to be overrun, and the days of Marshall Law are among us.

Now where did I claim that?
You can try and instigate whatever you want with me by saying this:

Yunno, this being the place designed, by you, to do that very thing, an-all.... :roll:


But it's just downright sad, however. I would expect more from you... like a valid point.
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.... And there ya go again? Sad? Trying to encourage someone to enter into a discussion, to say more than just "I have an opinion.", on a discussion forum is sad now is it?

Same sh*t/different day John. Is there any point? Never mind a valid one.
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Postby blackvault » Sun Nov 25, 2012 1:34 pm

You ask:

Now where did I claim that?


Do you read what you post? Or just skim through it?

Let me quote DIRECTLY from your post:

There is no reason to have such 24/7 surveillance of American citizens other than the usual global governance bunch fear-based ploy of scaring the middle class into relinquishing the last of its money and power to the Anglo American financial power elite central "Banksters" who own or control all 110 central banks that print money out of thin air and who want a one-world government.


LOL. Uhhh... THAT's my point - you're PASTING rubbish. You aren't stating your OPINION, you're pasting FALSE lies, and propaganda. That said, I have every right to respond. You have an opinion based on substance? By all means... share it. But don't patronize me, because you think I am belittling you. I am not interested in a pissing match with someone who has shown nothing but anti-Americanism for years.

And lastly, you are quick to forget you've been banned how many times, now? And yet, I welcomed you back... so why go after me for allegedly crushing your "opinion." If I was posting, errr I mean copy and pasting, blatant crap about UK "laws" and how they were going to do things against their citizens, which quite frankly, are erroneous in nature, and with the timeframe of your "sources" and "facts" should have happened by now, you are telling me, you wouldn't defend the country you live in?
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Postby Nigfis » Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:54 pm

blackvault wrote:You ask:

Now where did I claim that?


Do you read what you post? Or just skim through it?

Let me quote DIRECTLY from your post:

There is no reason to have such 24/7 surveillance of American citizens other than the usual global governance bunch fear-based ploy of scaring the middle class into relinquishing the last of its money and power to the Anglo American financial power elite central "Banksters" who own or control all 110 central banks that print money out of thin air and who want a one-world government.

But that's not ME you're quoting, its an op-ed piece I posted in response to your copy-and-paste from some russian site! :lol:

LOL. Uhhh... THAT's my point - you're PASTING rubbish. You aren't stating your OPINION, you're pasting FALSE lies, and propaganda.


Now hold on a minute. Are you now lambasting me for doing exactly what you did? You didn't even bother to add a single word of your own opinion. At least I tried.

That said, I have every right to respond. You have an opinion based on substance? By all means... share it. But don't patronize me, because you think I am belittling you. I am not interested in a pissing match with someone who has shown nothing but anti-Americanism for years.

And lastly, you are quick to forget you've been banned how many times, now? And yet, I welcomed you back... so why go after me for allegedly crushing your "opinion."


Oh good grief. You may be married now John, but boy, you certainly haven't matured much.
'Anti-Americanism', the last bastion of the forum bully. You know that's crap, we all do, well, except your old man maybe, but you continue to use it because its what you do when you get irate. You've been doing it for years.... That, and the old"you are quick to forget you've been banned how many times, now?", which is the other veiled threat stick you love to wave about. You'd be taking your ball home about now if this were a game of football.
If I was posting, errr I mean copy and pasting, blatant crap about UK "laws" and how they were going to do things against their citizens, which quite frankly, are erroneous in nature, and with the timeframe of your "sources" and "facts" should have happened by now, you are telling me, you wouldn't defend the country you live in?
You did post erroneous crap, and I explained why that was. You've chosen not to acknowledge that though. Way to go.
Enjoy talking to your Dad John. See you around.
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Postby blackvault » Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:21 pm

Some people never change.
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Postby greeney2 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:35 pm

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Postby hxxx » Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:10 pm

How's the War on Terror going, someone asked???

Like most things, it depends on who you're asking.

A. Huge success.

B. Colossal scam job.

C. Both
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Postby frrostedman » Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:54 pm

Nigfis wrote:According to the World Peace Index,
Top ten most peaceful (from 1-10): New Zealand, Denmark, Norway, Iceland, Austria, Sweden, Japan, Canada, Finland, Slovenia.


I clicked on your precious Index and found your rankings to be a little off, but, I guess after a whole... 8 days... things can change quite a bit.

But anyway, did you happen to notice that all the countries on the list are either completely protected under alliances with other countries, or, permanently neutral countries (and in Austria's case, forcibly neutral with their military diminished so that they can no longer pose a threat)? You see, it's real easy for a little tiny country to dump all its money into domestic entitlements and infrastructure, when they are hiding behind their Mother's skirt; their Mother being a dominant military world power. Most of the countries you listed are NATO members, either direct or by extension. The rest of 'em are countries that have so little to offer in the way of resources or strategic advantage, that, frankly, no one has any interest in picking a fight with them.

The point is, "efforts" toward global peace are directly relative to a country (a) having an alliance with a country that will fight their battles for them, and (b) having anything in their possession worth someone risking war to take it to begin with. I'd bet dollars to doughnut holes that Iceland, Norway, Japan, Canada, Denmark and the rest would be investing quite a bit in military forces if they had any reason to. They just don't. It's not as if aggressors are beating down their walls, blowing up their buildings, threatening to wipe them off the map, or anything of the kind. Nor would any aggressors do so because if they did, Ol' Dependable USA would immediately send the Angel of Death their way, in the form of an American Bald Eagle, and chase what's left of them all the way back to their borders--if not further.

When a country is a world power, the country has an inherent responsibility to step up and defend it's weaker allies the instant they call for help. Thus, the world power is by default going to be dragged into a whole sh*t ton of wars that don't involve a direct threat at all.

And it's easy for people who LOATHE the USA to play armchair quarterback years, decades, and centuries later, and claim moral superiority and pretend that everything would have been just fine in the world if the USA didn't have any military strength. If it wasn't for the military might of the USA (and Russia), the simple fact is you'd be speaking German right now. As your 1st language--Japanese as your 2nd.

So stick that in your peace pipe and smoke it.
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