greeney2 wrote:Are you suggesting the USA finally only gave 2000 US troops total for this campaign?
Here we Go, your trying to derail my thread with pro U.S propaganda again.
I have to say, I find how Americans keep trying to claim other nations war history as their own, & keep trying to re-right the history books, portraying the USA as playing the leading role in every battle of every war. As not only offense to me personally ..... But i find it insulting to all the war dead who fought & died to keep the world safe & free.
A freedom that America would not have today, if not for the sacrifice of all those who died in both world wars for the countless years the wars raged, while the USA refused to get involved,until the last days of the wars.
Only to deny' your true history & lack of involvement. History tells the true story .... without all the U.S lies & propaganda.
greeney2 wrote:Are you suggesting the USA finally only gave 2000 US troops total for this campaign?
No ..... i am only pointing out that the allies ( excluding the U.S.A ) fought the North African Campaign, for over four years ... almost 5 years. with almost 300,000 personal stationed there in the four years of the North African Campaign.
While the USA first sent just 2000 troops to fight in the North African Campaign, just 10 weeks before Rommel's forces surrounded to Australian & British forces in Tunisia.
After Rommel's surrender To Australian & British forces in Tunisa, the USA increased its deployment to around 10 thousand man to secure the site of the battle of Kasserine, one of ONLY 2 U.S battle in the North African Campaign, of WW2. & both the battles of Bizerte & Kasserine, where such tiny tiny battles, used to train the U.S troops & get them up to speed with the rest of the Allied forces.
The Germans had already lost the North African Campaign when Patton, Eisenhower, & US troops turned up 10 weeks before the North African Campaign ended.
Once again ( just like in the European theater of war ) the USA turned up after all the work was done.
Where do you get your pro U.S propaganda from Greeney2.
read & research the real facts for once mate.
greeney2 wrote:IKE was the supreme Allied Commander of the entire North African Campaign, and all allied troops were under Eisenhower. IKE was leader of British troops, and all their subordinate troops like Australia, New Zealand, India under British command.
IKE was the supreme Allied Commander of the entire North African Campaign
for the last few weeks of the war because the REAL COMMANDERS who ran the war for 4 years, didn't want to wast time with his petty behavior.
& put it in perspective ........ Eisenhower was the supreme Allied Commander of the entire North African Campaign.
Yhe ...... & so was Douglas MacArthur too remember .... yet they both handed over command of their forces to Australian & British Commanders ........ so their tittle was just a PR deal to shut them up.
How can you have Two supreme Commander. North African Campaign timeline194010 June: The Kingdom of Italy declares war upon France and the United Kingdom
14 June: British and Australian force cross from Egypt into Libya and capture Fort Capuzzo
16 June: The first tank battle of the North African Campaign takes place, the "Battle of Girba"
13 September: Italian forces invade Egypt from Libya
16 September: Italian forces establish front east of Sidi Barrani
9 December: British and Indian forces launch Operation Compass with the Battle of Marmarica (Battle of the camps)
9 December: Indian forces capture Nibeiwa with cover from British artillery
9 December: British tanks and Indian troops overrun Tummar West followed by Tummar East
10 December: Indian forces capture Sidi Barrani with support from British artillery
11 December: British armoured forces arrived in Sofafi, but Libyan and Italian divisions had escaped
16 December: Sollum captured by Allies1941
5 January: Bardia captured by British and Australian force
22 January: Tobruk captured by Australian force
30 January: Australians capture Derna, Libya
5 February: Beda Fomm captured by British
Fall of Benghazi to the Western Desert Force.Lieutenant-General Erwin Rommel is appointed commander of Afrika Korps.
7 February: what remains of the Italian Tenth Army surrenders
9 February: Churchill orders halt to British and Australian advance at El Agheila to allow withdrawal of troops to defend Greece
14 February: First units of the Afrika Korps under Erwin Rommel start to arrive in Libya during Operation Sonnenblume24 March: Allied forces at El Agheila defeated; Erwin Rommel starts his advance
4 April: Australian & British forces withdraw from Benghazi; Benghazi captured by Axis
6 April: British 3rd Armored Brigade is captured in Derna
8 April: British, Indian and Australian forces captured at Mechili
10 April: Siege of Tobruk begins with Australian, British and Indian forces defending
15 April: British forces are pushed back to Sollum on Egyptian border with Libya
30 April: Australian forces lose a small part of their positions in Tobruk during the Battle of Salient, roughly a 6th of Tobruk is now held by Germans
3 May: Australian forces counter attack in Tobruk unsuccessfully
15 May: British troops launch Operation Brevity to gain more territory from which to launch Operation Battleaxe later in the year
16 May: Operation Brevity called off. Allied forces fall back onto the Halfaya Pass, captured the previous day
26 May: German forces launch Operation Skorpion and move up to Halfaya Pass
27 May: German forces recapture Halfaya Pass; British troops are forced to withdraw
15 June: British and Indian troops launch unsuccessful Operation Battleaxe
5 July: Auchinleck replaces Wavell as C-in-C Middle East Command
15 August: German Panzer Group Afrika activated with Rommel in Command
1 October: 5th Light Division redesignated 21st Panzer Division
18 November: Auchinleck's offensive (Operation Crusader) begins with British, Indian, South African and New Zealander forces
21 November: British armored division defeated at Sidi Rezegh and withdraws
New Zealand forces attack Bir Ghirba but are unsuccessful
Indian forces capture Sidi Omar
23 November: New Zealand forces capitalize on Indian advances to wreck Afrika Korps HQ at Bir el Chleta
Rommel launches Panzer attacks on the British XXX Corps, but face resistance from SA, NZ and British forces
British and NZ forces withdraw towards Bir el Gubi
Panzer attack on Indian forces at Sidi Omar is repulsed
In the second attack in the evening, Indian forces destroy the 5th Panzer Division
26 November: Ritchie replaces Cunningham as commander Eighth Army
27 November: New Zealand troops at Sidi Azeiz defeated by overwhelming advance of Panzers and German infantry
28 November: 15th Panzer despite being outnumbered 2:1 force British tanks to retreat exposing the New Zealand forces at Ed Duda on the Tobruk by-pass
1 December: New Zealand troops in Sidi Rezegh suffer heavy casualties by Panzers
German infantry suffers heavy defeat at the hand of New Zealand forces on the Bardia road near Menastir
German forces suffer losses against Indian forces and forced to withdraw at Capuzzo (Trigh Capuzzo)
NZ forces repulse German attack on Ed Duda
Indian forces face attrition in an uphill attempt to capture Point 174 against entrenched Italian forces without artillery support
8th Army attacks Gazala line
NZ forces stopped at Alem Hamza
Indian forces take Point 204
Indian infantry face Afrika Korps and against heavy odds destroy 15 of 39 Panzers
14 December: Indian troops repel repeated Panzer attacks on Point 204
15 December: German advance overruns British forces en route to Point 204, but Indian forces at Point 204 hold on
16 December: Rommel facing reduced Panzer numbers orders withdrawal from the Gazala line
24 December: British forces capture Benghazi
25 December: Agedabia reached by the Allies
27 December: Rommel inflicts heavy damage on British armour who have to withdraw allowing Rommel to fall back to El Agheila
31 December: Front lines return to El Agheila1942
21 January;Rommel's second offensive begins
A lone He 111 of the Sonderkommando Blaich successfully bombs the Fort Lamy air field 
23 January: Agedabia captured by Axis forces
29 January: Benghazi captured by Axis forces
4 February: Front line established between Gazala and Bir Hakeim
26 May: Axis forces assault the Gazala line, the Battle of Gazala and Battle of Bir Hakeim begins
11 June: Axis forces begin offensive from "the Cauldron" position
13 June: "Black Sunday". Axis inflicts heavy defeat on British armoured divisions
21 June: Tobruk captured by Axis forces
28 June: Mersa Matruh, Egypt, falls to Rommel.
30 June: Axis forces reach El Alamein and attack the Allied defences, the First Battle of El Alamein begins
4 July: First Battle of El Alamein continues as Axis digs in and Eighth Army launch series of attacks
31 July: Auchinleck calls off offensive activities to allow Eighth Army to regroup and resupply
13 August: Alexander and Montgomery take command respectively of Middle East Command and Eighth Army
30 August: Rommel launches unsuccessful Battle of Alam el Halfa
23 October: Montgomery launches Operation Lightfoot starting the Second Battle of El Alamein
5 November: Axis lines at El Alamein broken
8 November: Operation Torch is launched under the command of General Eisenhower, Allied forces land in Morocco and Algeria.
9 November: Sidi Barani captured by Eighth Army
13 November: Tobruk captured by Australian 9th Division
15 November: British forces capture Derna in Libya.
17 November: First Army (Operation Torch's Eastern Task Force) and Axis meet at Djebel Abiod in Tunisia
20 November: Benghazi captured by allied forces
27 November: First Army advance halted between Terbourba and Djedeida, 12 miles from Tunis, by Axis counterattack
10 December: First Army front line pushed back to defensive positions east of Medjez el Bab
22 December: First Army starts three day offensive towards Tebourba which fails
25 December: Sirte captured by allied forces194323 January: Tripoli captured by allied forces
30 January: Axis forces capture Faïd pass in central Tunisia4 February: Axis forces in Libya retreat to Tunisian border south of the Mareth Line
14 February: Axis advance from Faïd to launch Battle of Sidi Bou Zid and enter Sbeitla two days later
19 February: Battle of Kasserine Pass launched by Axis forces19 February: U.S forces join North African Campaign at the Battle of Kasserine
6 March: Axis launch Operation Capri against Eighth Army at Medenine but lose 55 tanks
16 March: Battle of Mareth begins
19 March: Eighth Army launches Operation Pugilist
23 March: U.S. II Corps emerge from Kasserine to match the Axis at Battle of El Guettar. Battle of Mareth ends.
26 March: Eighth Army launch Operation Supercharge II outflanking and making the Axis position at Mareth untenable. Battle of Tebaga Gap takes place.
6 April: Right wing of First Army links with Eighth Army. Battle of Wadi Akarit takes place.
22 April: Allied forces launch Operation Vulcan
6 May: Allied forces launch Operation Strike7 May: Allied forces enter Tunis, Americans enter Bizerte13 May: Axis Powers surrender in Tunisia, to Australian, & British forces.Rommel's retreat
On 3 November 1942 Montgomery found it impossible to renew his attack, and he had to wait for more reinforcements to be brought up. This lull was what Rommel needed for his withdrawal, which had been planned since 29 October, when he had determined the situation hopeless. At halfway, however, Rommel received the infamous "victory or death" stand-fast order from Hitler. Although this order demanded the impossible and virtually ensured the destruction of Panzer Army Africa, Rommel could not bring himself to disobey a direct order from his Führer. The Axis forces held on desperately.
On 4 November Allied forces renewed the attack with fresh forces, and with almost 500 tanks against the 20 or so remaining to Rommel. By midday the Italian XX Motorized Corps was surrounded, and several hours later was completely destroyed. This left a 20 km gap in Rommel's line, with Allied armoured and motorized units pouring through, threatening the entire Panzer Army Africa with encirclement. At this point Rommel could no longer uphold the no-retreat order and ordered a general retreat. Early on 5 November he received authorization by Hitler to withdraw, 12 hours after his decision to do so—but it was far too late, with only remnants of his army streaming westward. Most of his unmotorized forces (the bulk of the army) were caught.
Part of the Panzer Army Africa escaped from El Alamein, but this remnant took heavy losses from constant air attacks. Despite urgings from Hitler and Mussolini, the Panzer Army did not turn to fight, except for brief holding actions, but withdrew under Allied pressure all the way to Tunisia. However, the retreat was conducted most skillfully, employing scorched earth tactics and leaving behind booby traps, making the task of the pursuers very difficult. The Allied forces had great numerical superiority and air supremacy, while most of Rommel's remaining divisions were reduced to combat groups.End of Africa campaignsHaving reached Tunisia, Rommel launched an attack against the recently arrived U.S. II Corps which was threatening to cut his lines of supply north to Tunis. Rommel inflicted a sharp defeat on the American forces at the Kasserine Pass in February.
Rommel immediately turned back against the British forces, occupying the Mareth Line (old French defences on the Libyan border). But Rommel could only delay the inevitable. At the end of January 1943, the Italian General Giovanni Messe had been appointed the new commander of Rommel's Panzer Army Africa while Rommel had been at Kasserine, which was renamed the Italo-German Panzer Army (in recognition of the fact that it consisted of one German and three Italian corps). Though Messe replaced Rommel, he diplomatically deferred to him, and the two coexisted in what was theoretically the same command. On 23 February Armeegruppe Afrika was created with Rommel in command. It included the Italo-German Panzer Army under Messe (renamed 1st Italian Army) and the German 5th Panzer Army in the north of Tunisia under General Hans-Jürgen von Arnim.
The last Rommel offensive in North Africa was on 6 March 1943, when he attacked the Australian, New Zealand & British, Eighth Army at the Battle of Medenine. The attack was made with 10th, 15th, and 21st Panzer Divisions. Warned by Ultra intercepts, Montgomery deployed large numbers of anti-tank guns in the path of the offensive. After losing 52 tanks, Rommel called off the assault. & on the 13 May: Rommel & The Axis Powers surrender in Tunisia.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_ ... erine_Pass