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Postby greeney2 » Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:18 am

West shocked by U.S. envoy death, Muslims condemn film
By Peter Graff | Reuters – 21 mins agoShare0EmailPrint(Reuters) - Western countries denounced on Wednesday the killing of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other embassy staff by armed attackers, while many Muslim states focused their condemnation on the anti-Islamic film that provoked the violence.

In Libya and Egypt, where the U.S. embassy was also attacked on Tuesday, authorities promised to bring the perpetrators to justice.

Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the other staff were killed in an assault on the U.S. consulate and a safe house in Benghazi by Islamist gunmen. The attackers blamed Washington for a low-budget anti-Islam film produced in the United States, excerpts of which could be viewed on the Internet.

Western leaders expressed unanimous shock at killings that France's President Francois Hollande called an "odious crime".

German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle said: "Nothing can justify violence". Italy's Prime Minister Mario Monti praised the Libyan government for speaking out against the violence.

Russia's Foreign Ministry said: "We decisively condemn all attacks on foreign diplomatic representations and their employees as manifestations of terrorism that can have no justification."

At the United Nations, Under-secretary General for Political Affairs Jeffrey Feltman told the Security Council at a briefing: "The United Nations rejects defamation of religion in all forms, but there is no justification for violence such as occurred in Benghazi."

Libyan Deputy Prime Minister Mustafa Abu Shagour joined the condemnation of the killings. "I do condemn the cowardly act of attacking the U.S. consulate and the killing of Mr. Stevens and the other diplomats," he said in a message on Twitter.

The U.S. military helped Libya's government come to power as part of a NATO bombing campaign that helped topple Muammar Gaddafi last year.

In Egypt - where protesters scaled the U.S. embassy's walls and tore down the American flag - the government of new President Mohammed Mursi also condemned the violence but called on Washington to take action against the film's makers.

"What happened at the U.S. embassy in Cairo is regrettable and rejected by all Egyptian people and cannot be justified, especially if we consider that the people who produced this low film have no relation to the (U.S.) government," Prime Minister Hisham Kandil said, reading out a statement.

"We ask the American government to take a firm position toward this film's producers within the framework of international charters that criminalize acts that stir strife on the basis of race, color or religion."

President Mursi, an Islamist from the once-banned Muslim Brotherhood, became Egypt's first elected leader this year after last year's overthrow of U.S. ally Hosni Mubarak. He is trying to reassure Western countries that Egypt will remain an ally and is seeking debt forgiveness from Washington.

The Brotherhood called for a nationwide peaceful protest on Friday against the film, "to condemn insults to religious convictions and insults to the Prophet". Mursi withdrew from the Brotherhood before taking office.

MUSLIMS DENOUNCE FILM

Elsewhere in the Muslim world, the official response often focused mainly on the anti-Muslim video, rather than on the violence it triggered.

Several leaders, including Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai, who is defended by a NATO-led force of 113,000 troops including nearly 75,000 Americans, denounced the film in statements that made no mention of attacks on U.S. diplomats.

"Desecration is not part of the freedom of expression, but a criminal act that has now badly affected the righteous sentiments of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the globe," a statement from Karzai's office said.

Afghanistan has frequently been hit by bouts of deadly violence prompted by perceived insults against Islam.

Pakistan issued two separate statements, one that condemned "a defamatory video clip in the U.S., maligning the revered and pious personality of the Prophet Muhammad", and another which condemned the killings of U.S. embassy staff. Neither statement gave any suggestion that the incidents were linked.

Iran's foreign ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast also denounced the film while making no mention of the embassy attacks. The United States has a "direct moral responsibility" to stop insults against holy Muslim figures, Iran's Mehr news agency quoted him as saying.

Islam generally prohibits any depiction of Mohammed, whom Muslims revere for receiving the revelation of the Quran and as a model of the virtuous life.

Portions of the film, which appeared to have been made with amateurish actors on cheap sets, showed Mohammed as bisexual, a supporter of child sexual abuse and of violence. The film was promoted by Terry Jones, a once little-known Florida pastor who gained international notoriety for burning the Quran despite a plea by then U.S. Defence Secretary Robert Gates that the act would put the lives of U.S. troops in danger.

The Vatican in Rome said the violence showed the need to respect religions and avoid insulting believers.

"The serious consequences of unjustified offence and provocations against the sensibilities of Muslim believers are once again evident in these days," the Vatican's chief spokesman, Father Federico Lombardi said in a statement.

Lombardi said respect for the beliefs, texts, outstanding figures and symbols of religions was "an essential precondition for the peaceful coexistence of peoples."

(Reporting by Reuters staff in Tripoli, Benghazi, Cairo, Washington, Kabul, Islamabad, Dubai, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, Rome and at the United Nations; Writing by Peter Graff; Editing by David Stamp)
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Postby at1with0 » Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:38 am

Lombardi said respect for the beliefs, texts, outstanding figures and symbols of religions was "an essential precondition for the peaceful coexistence of peoples."


How can I be expected to respect those who would resort to violence over a fricken movie?
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Postby at1with0 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:43 am

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/13/world/mea ... index.html

The Afghan government has ordered an indefinite block of YouTube, the online video-sharing website, to prevent people there from watching a clip of the anti-Islam film blamed for much of the fury bubbling over at protests in Islamic nations. YouTube has already restricted access to the video, which mocks the Muslim faith.


Numerous questions surround the film, which includes cartoonish scenes of Mohammed as a womanizer, child molester and ruthless killer. The filmmaker was identified in a July 2011 casting call as Sam Bassiel and on the call sheet as Sam Bassil; the name was reported at first by news outlets as Sam Bacile. By Thursday, as new details emerged, it was becoming apparent that Bacile was probably not the producer's real name. And two members of the film's production staff who spoke to CNN denied initial media reports that the filmmaker was an Israeli Jew.

Many Muslims find any depiction of Mohammed to be offensive -- a Danish newspaper's publication in 2005 of Mohammed caricatures triggered riots -- and derogatory depictions of the prophet are considered by some to be worse.
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Postby En-Lugal » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:55 pm

So this is how they're going to usher sharia law into the U.S., huh? Don't offend the Muslims or they'll attack! See, the problem here is that literally anything can set these people off. They're like Liberals, they can twist anything around to mean something derogatory or inflammatory. Likewise, they can also rationalize any response into a justifiable one. Between the Muslim countries, Liberals, the U.N. and now the Vatican, I'd be looking for more "religious legislation" to start creeping it's way in. Yet another attack on the first amendment.

The only message I want to hear from our leadership is that the attacks were unjustifiable, no matter who got their feelings hurt. I also want to hear our leadership tell those demanding legal actions against the film-maker, that we don't do things that way. We teach our children that you can't hit the other kids no matter how many names they were called. They demand respect of their religion and way of life yet offer neither for "infidels", going so far as to execute people of other faiths for not converting.

Islam is so out of touch with reality, it's like looking back in time. Islam is everything our forefathers sought to avoid and completely against everything we stand for. It does not allow for peace between all religions, it calls for the death of those who will not accept Islam. It's followers can try to dispute that all they want but all the evidence one needs manifests itself in these savage attacks. It also doesn't help their case when prominent clerics get on national television and admit as much. They even called for more Americans that converted to Islam to engage in these attacks as well.

If we followed the same extremist eye-for-an-eye mentality as these people, they'd have been nuked off the map a long long time ago. Same goes for the Jews and Zionism as a whole. I'm sick of our government having to fight their damn battles, that they usually start by the way. Same damn mentality, it's been going on since records started being kept. Every time they don't get their way, they drag out the holocaust videos and whine. I hope they've updated to digital, I wouldn't want the overused film to be ruined or anything. Just like Liberals, guilt-trip you into submission. If you disagree with them about anything, you're anti-Semitic every.... freaking.... time.

So the only difference between these two factions is that the book most Americans, our founders included although that's debatable, subscribe to says the Jews are Gods chosen people. On the other side, their book says they are Gods chosen people. The only conclusion to this is that one side has to be annihilated for there to be peace. Of course, I don't trust either side honestly. I doubt their blood lust would or could be satiated should they win this battle.

We could've done what Russia does and keep feeding both sides arms and let them duke it out. No, our bleeding heart Liberal government has to intervene in the name of humanitarianism. :lol: Meanwhile, our military is stretched to the breaking point, we're virtually bankrupt and no end in sight to the military industrial complex. They're nowhere near us, no threat. This is on Russia and China's doorstep, let them play nanny for a while. Either way, politicians need to quit playing "Christian soldier" with our men and women in uniform. If they want to cater to Israel, they can hop on a plane and go die on the front lines and stop sending our troops to do it.

It's the ultimate hypocrisy, condemn followers of Islam for their acts while we invade sovereign nations without any declaration of war and stand with Israel because our book said so. The only way that makes any political sense is during an election year, which is when all politicians seem to get "religious". Except the Democrats, until they realized it was political suicide and had to railroad their own delegates. :lol:
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Postby capricorn » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:22 pm

Has anyone here actually seen the video? I have and there is something rather strange about it. Every mention of the word Islam, Muslims or Mohammed is dubbed in a rather obvious way. Its almost as though someone took a movie and changed it to offend Islam. Very weird.
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Postby at1with0 » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:57 pm

I heard it was not made by an American...could be wrong,
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Postby En-Lugal » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:00 am

Another thing that's been bugging me are the call outs from Israel and Egypt's leaders about our "morals". I guess they have a "moral responsibility" not to accept our financial aide now. :lol:
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Postby at1with0 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:58 am

So silly.
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Postby En-Lugal » Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:11 pm

More attacks, looks like they're just getting started. Considering how this all went down, I'm thinking this is our newest conspiracy theory. Get your tinfoil hats out, gentlemen. :think:
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Postby at1with0 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:12 pm

Google rejects White House request to pull Mohammad film clip
http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/09/1 ... MD20120914

Google Inc rejected a request by the White House on Friday to reconsider its decision to keep online a controversial YouTube movie clip that has ignited anti-American protests in the Middle East.



I wonder if they'd change their tune if people infiltrated Google headquarters and popped a cap or two.
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