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Postby khanster » Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:00 pm

We see Steven Greer giving advice on how to use occultism practices and meditation to "contact" ET's which are actually demonic entities...




http://www.amazon.com/Contact-Countdown ... 0967323835

Steven M. Greer MD and the CSETI team chronicle the amazing contacts they have had since 1992 with Extraterrestrial Civilizations. Learn how the CSETI protocols have led to ongoing - and rapidly increasing - contact with Interstellar civilizations and how these contact events are building to an astonishing crescendo: We are now in the final Countdown to the Transformation of life on earth as we become a peaceful, universal society. This book goes beyond the usual accounting of objects in the sky and takes the reader into a universe of higher states of consciousness, remote viewing and direct contact with civilizations that interface with thought and awareness as easily as we talk on cell phones. Journey with the CSETI team as they go beyond the veil of light and the resonant frequency of matter and enter into close contact with numerous ET civilizations who eagerly await the coming Transformation on Earth.



http://www.alienresistance.org/arstrongdelusion.htm

"...ET belief is quickly becoming the world’s most scientifically acceptable false religion
and a major stumbling block to Christianity... "
- Gary Bates


As we covered in Part 7, the alien deception is a strong delusion, and the majority of the world is already believing this lie.

But there may be an even greater element of the alien phenomenon in the End Times, more than even today, a prophetic fulfillment that would indicate this Deception may get Worse and more Large scale.

Beyond being a strong delusion, this may be the strong delusion of the end times, as is mentioned in 2 Thessalonians:

"And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle. "
- 2 Thes 2:8-15

On this passage of 2nd Thessalonians, Dr. David Allen Lewis and Robert Shrekhise wrote in their groundbreaking book, UFO: End Time Delusion:

“For Satan to succeed in the last days, he must work a deception so subtle and so powerful that it will overwhelm the human race both with its rationality and attraction.”
“An offer by visitors from an advanced civilization on another planet for assistance to a perishing human race confronted with war, crime, violence, pollution, global warming, genocide, and a host of other ills that man’s rebellion have produced will seem irresistible. That the mainstream scientific community is taking the UFO question seriously, as evidenced by the heavy-funded, government-sponsored SETI programs, demonstrates that we must look at the subject in a very serious light.
Any person who is well-grounded in the Bible and takes the word of God literally will not be prone to fall for the end-time delusion. The apostle Paul contrasts those who accept the Bible with those who reject it...”
- Dr. David Allen Lewis & Robert Shrekhise, UFO: End-Time Delusion, pgs. 68-69



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Postby khanster » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:37 pm

Jacques Vallée is an interesting scientist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vall%C3%A9e


Jacques Fabrice Vallée (born September 24, 1939 in Pontoise, Val-d'Oise, France) is a venture capitalist, computer scientist, author, ufologist and former astronomer currently residing in San Francisco, California.

In mainstream science, Vallée is notable for co-developing the first computerized mapping of Mars for NASA and for his work at SRI International in creating ARPANET, a precursor to the modern Internet. Vallée is also an important figure in the study of unidentified flying objects (UFOs), first noted for a defense of the scientific legitimacy of the extraterrestrial hypothesis and later for promoting the interdimensional hypothesis.

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As an alternative to the extraterrestrial visitation hypothesis, Vallée has suggested a multidimensional visitation hypothesis. This hypothesis represents an extension of the ETH where the alleged extraterrestrials could be potentially from anywhere. The entities could be multidimensional beyond space-time, and thus could coexist with humans, yet remain undetected.

Vallée's opposition to the popular ETH hypothesis was not well received by prominent U.S. ufologists, hence he was viewed as something of an outcast. Indeed, Vallée refers to himself as a "heretic among heretics".

Vallée's opposition to the ETH theory is summarised in his paper, "Five Arguments Against the Extraterrestrial Origin of Unidentified Flying Objects", Journal of Scientific Exploration, 1990:

Scientific opinion has generally followed public opinion in the belief that unidentified flying objects either do not exist (the "natural phenomena hypothesis") or, if they do, must represent evidence of a visitation by some advanced race of space travellers (the extraterrestrial hypothesis or "ETH"). It is the view of the author that research on UFOs need not be restricted to these two alternatives. On the contrary, the accumulated data base exhibits several patterns tending to indicate that UFOs are real, represent a previously unrecognized phenomenon, and that the facts do not support the common concept of "space visitors." Five specific arguments articulated here contradict the ETH:

1. unexplained close encounters are far more numerous than required for any physical survey of the earth;

2.the humanoid body structure of the alleged "aliens" is not likely to have originated on another planet and is not biologically adapted to space travel;

3. the reported behavior in thousands of abduction reports contradicts the hypothesis of genetic or scientific experimentation on humans by an advanced race;

4. the extension of the phenomenon throughout recorded human history demonstrates that UFOs are not a contemporary phenomenon; and

5. the apparent ability of UFOs to manipulate space and time suggests radically different and richer alternatives.

Vallée has contributed to the investigation of the Miracle at Fatima and Marian apparitions. His work has been used to support the Fatima UFO Hypothesis. Vallée is one of the first people to speculate publicly about the possibility that the "solar dance" at Fatima was a UFO. The idea of UFOs was not unknown in 1917, but most of the people in attendance at the Fatima apparitions would not have attributed the claimed phenomena there to UFOs, let alone to extraterrestrials. Vallée has also speculated about the possibility that other religious apparitions may have been the result of UFO activity including Our Lady of Lourdes and the revelations to Joseph Smith. Vallée and other researchers have advocated further study of unusual phenomena in the academic community. They don't believe that this should be handled solely by theologians.


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Postby DIss0n80r » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:05 pm

Are all aliens really demons or just the non-Christian ones?
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Postby khanster » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:20 am

http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4.htm



The Research
Hypothesis: Christians are being abducted by Aliens.

The Data: Compiled through working with over 350 Alien Abduction Experiencers.

The Findings: Some professing Christians are claiming to have experienced the Alien Abduction experience.
The Unexpected Outcome of the Research


Through the research into the case testimonies it was found that some of the experiencers were able to stop or terminate the experience. There was a recognized commonality in the method that was used among the Christian experiencers. The experience was shown to be able to be stopped or terminated by calling on the name and authority of JESUS CHRIST. Not as a magic word but by their allegiance to and personal relationship with Him.

We also found that by sharing this with other experiencers we could help them also stop their experiences.

This is called repeatability.

The UFO community has been looking for that repeatable event that research demands to verify the data. We have documented this in our research. There is no other documented repeatable event recorded in any other UFO research. Not only has it been shown that the experience can be stopped or terminated in the name and authority of JESUS CHRIST, but we are able to help you stop the experience.

The FINDINGS


What causes someone to have an abduction experience?
This is a question that secular researchers do not have an answer for to this day.
But we at CE4 Research Group have found through our research that people can have this experience because of one of three reasons or a combination of these reasons:

1. You asked for it. Some people actually ask to have the experience to know what is like or about. Be careful what you ask for.

2. You unknowingly open a door to the realm of this experience. Some people unknowingly opened a door for the experience, by being involved in New Age or Occult activities. When you engage in the unknown things outside of GOD the Creator and His WORD you make yourself vulnerable to these entities. We have found this reason to be the most often found root cause.

3. You are part of a generational cycle or generational curse. When asked about the experiencer's parents or early family life, we found that the opening had come from one or more of the parents. It IS important how you raise your children. When there is a GODLY covering over the family by the head of the household, the family is protected. But if there is No GODLY covering, the family is open to these types of unnatural experiences.
The Evidence

The evidence of our findings is in the testimonies of the experiencers. We have over 95 posted with permission, written and audio testimonies from the experiencers themselves. More are coming in as the work continues by the research group. How many does it take to see that this is a real event? Read and listen to the evidence yourself. Weigh what you read with what you have been told by others. You will now have all of the pieces in your hand. Bring them all to the table. We are sure that you will see why this is called the “Unwanted Piece of the UFO Puzzle”. The evidence you read and hear will surely raise many questions about the Alien Abduction and UFO experience. Questions you must continue to ask. Answers that you must demand from the researchers that refuse to allow all the pieces of the puzzle to be shared, whether they like what the research shows or not.

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Postby DIss0n80r » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:00 am

And they're all gay.
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Postby inja » Thu Aug 23, 2012 8:49 pm

I did not realize that Dr. Steven Greer was entering meditative states....as well as teaching this meditative state to be able to contact aliens. Not sure I actually believe they are.


But if there is something I do know is that it is pretty much bs to believe that aliens are demons. Why is it that a part of the population within organized religions are so extreme that there is only black and white, good and evil, up and down, angels and demons.

What if it turns out them aliens that abduct people....which goes of course beyond the Christian community.....are simply going about there business because what ever it is they are doing to the abductees is merely profitable to them. Maybe they too are just greedy selfish bastards such as many humans are. Maybe we are or have something that makes us simply a commodity in their eyes. After all how many life forms on this planet have we turned from living creature into a commodity. I highly doubt we do anything that hasn't been done some where out there already.
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Postby qmark » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:09 pm

inja wrote: Why is it that a part of the population within organized religions are so extreme that there is only black and white, good and evil, up and down, angels and demons.


Can black and white be misproven?
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Postby inja » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:27 pm

qmark wrote:
inja wrote: Why is it that a part of the population within organized religions are so extreme that there is only black and white, good and evil, up and down, angels and demons.


Can black and white be misproven?


Sure it can. Just alone in the world of color spectrum neither white nor black is simply that....a color. But variants of colors and light. In the religious world even morality is not simple and has various degrees.

The bible (all religious books actually) has a diversity on explanations on many of the different verses and each church or preacher or person puts their own personal spin on it. The christian church is a splintered church with various degrees of beliefs. From overly strict where the Word is black and white to the Word being in many cases explained as symbolic.

Shades of grey or rainbow colors, depending on your out look in life, stands always behind black and white.

Yes I do know that there are a few select things all Christian churches agree on.......but than the Book does not just express only a few things and life does not consist of only a few things. Anything extreme whether religious, non religious or political is about needing tidy boxes for control.
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Postby qmark » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:16 pm

inja wrote:Sure it can. Just alone in the world of color spectrum neither white nor black is simply that....a color. But variants of colors and light. In the religious world even morality is not simple and has various degrees.

The bible (all religious books actually) has a diversity on explanations on many of the different verses and each church or preacher or person puts their own personal spin on it. The christian church is a splintered church with various degrees of beliefs. From overly strict where the Word is black and white to the Word being in many cases explained as symbolic.

Shades of grey or rainbow colors, depending on your out look in life, stands always behind black and white.

Yes I do know that there are a few select things all Christian churches agree on.......but than the Book does not just express only a few things and life does not consist of only a few things. Anything extreme whether religious, non religious or political is about needing tidy boxes for control.


All of that is true but none of that proves that black and white is not necessarily so, apart from colors, which I'm not really talking about. Anything and everything can be boiled down to black and white. It doesn't matter if people are all over the spectrum. People are a lousy example for anything. In Christianity, Jesus made a bunch of black and white statements. The fact that people disagree and vary within Christiandom, it is more of an indictment of the people than it is with the black and white statements. In other words, just because people don't like to see things in black or white, that does not mean that black and white is not the standard.
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