Of course, in usual fashion, you twisted my post into support for child abuse.
I only said that I read a book that described the use of minor pain, just enough to get a child's attention, as a tool to steer the child in the right direction, and the author went on to demonstrate that our nerves generate pain signals for good reason; to warn us to stop doing what we are doing. And, I didn't even say I supported the position, I only said I was reminded of the book.
Go back and read my post. At no point did I say you supported the method, least of all child abuse. I was responding to your description of the book, I have no idea whether you agree with it or not, but to me it is sick and twisted and a horrible false way to coerce a child into complying with your demands.
frrostedman wrote:And if you think the dispensing of minor pain is "sick" and "twisted" then you are in the radical fringe and vast minority compared to the rest of humanity since the dawn of time.
Now who is twisting words? I would rather a very quick minor slap on the bottom to a "spock nerve hold".
However, I do agree that no pain whatsoever should be dished out onto a child, and if that makes me a radical, then great. The world is a pretty messed up place, as you'd surely agree, so it does not worry me to go against the grain. You would understand that yourself, I bet, as someone who is happy to do the same.
We are living in a world that is just coming to terms with things like homosexuality, and respecting people of different races, as a species we're a little slow sometimes, but thankfully we eventually get there and recognize our previous behaviour as wrong, that's why we don't burn as many witches these days.
frrostedman wrote:But most children react well to non-abusive physical punishment and they grow up respecting and loving their parents.
Perhaps, but it doesn't mean there is not a better way.
frrostedman wrote:By the way, for the sake of argument, presuming God exists... I guess it's your position that He is "sick" and "twisted" for creating us with the ability to feel physical pain at all. You seem to be arguing that there is not a single useful purpose for pain.
For someone who cries foul about people twisting words you sure do like to do it yourself.
Pain is an evolved survival mechanism, it is very useful. That does not mean we can dish it out to others as we please.
"All of our behavior can be traced to biological events about which we have no conscious knowledge: this has always suggested that free will is an illusion."
- Sam Harris