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Postby zoltan2 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:25 am

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Postby orangetom1999 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:32 am

I am aware since learning of the 95 or so thesis-es that Martin Luther posted on the door at Wittenberg, Germany ..of the grievances against the Catholic Church.

What I came later to learn was the level of depravity which took place...among the reigns of certain Popes. Not just by the Popes themselves but also by the clergy. You have to dig to find this information's as it is not customarily out in the open. It is the same with the levels of Depravities which took place in Ancient Rome itself. This too is kept sanitized from most versions of history.

What was a shock to me was to learn that there were actually Brothels in Rome which serviced exclusively the clergy....and particularly the higher up clergy. And they remained in Rome doing this service for many many years.

When Ancient Rome fell...they made a Church out of the State..under Constantine...and then made up the rules as they went along to hide much from the public. It was still a state religion....just as was Ancient Rome. You had to recognize the Roman Emperors as being at least "a god" and you were fine and let go.

Under Roman Catholicism...you had to recognize the power of the Popes and Rome...or be labeled a "Heretic" and you could be killed.

Not much far removed from what is happening in Militant and Radical Islam today. Outsiders can be killed and particularly for criticizing Islam. Infidels.
Insiders who break the faith can be killed as well.

Both Roman Catholicism and Islam are religions of Peace...Yes??
Some of you might want to find out what is in some of the Papal Bulls..still outstanding.
There are other religions out here with problems...but these two are dominant and also not the product advertised.

But you have to know some history to follow this trail..for our media and public education will not connect these dots for you.
You have to be able to think and reason outside the box of what passes for education today.

What is also very interesting to me ..and once again you have to train yourself to spot it for the disinformation it is....is that whenever someone wants to make a point about Christianity ..they automatically refer to the Church at Rome as all the example needed of Christianity. Time Magazine is famous for this fingerprint as well as is Newsweek.

But once you know the History of the Church at Rome...quite another picture is painted...The Traditions of men.


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Postby greeney2 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:06 am

The history of 10 Popes from 700 years ago doesn't really affect me too much, but the 10 most wicked Islamic leaders of today affect us all alot.
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Postby orangetom1999 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:41 am

greeney2 wrote:The history of 10 Popes from 700 years ago doesn't really affect me too much, but the 10 most wicked Islamic leaders of today affect us all alot.


In general Greeny2 ..I would agree with this except to find that many of these Papal Bulls are still in effect. They may not enforce them but they are still on the books. A Papal Bull is the Catholic version of a Fatwa.

I would agree with the Islamic Leaders and what they are attempting to do. However ..I also think that many of our leaders here are in bed with them and the system they would like to bring about.

If for nothing else than to bring in the world and Kingdom of Ishmael and get rid of the Kingdom of Issac.

For in the religion of politics..most of it follows Ishmael.

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Postby greeney2 » Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:52 am

Let me know as soon as the Pope orders airplanes to crash into the tallest building in Tehran, and kill a few thousand innocent Muslims. Somehow I think its not going to happen. Thats just my public education talking again! :lol:
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Postby bionic » Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:36 pm

Popes are people, too..good, bad, indifferent
on a side note..
they say there was a female Pope once
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/doubleissu ... s/pope.htm

also, if I were a Muslim, I would publically speak out agains those idiots..the fact that many do not tells me there is a-lot of fear for one's safety involved..which is MESSED UP.
I live in an area that has a-lot of Muslims. Most of them here seems like regular folk..
Now in MN, the Muslim population there..you could tell was much more fundi and radical..I mena, I saw women in full burqas several times..ack...it made me so uncomfortable
it's funny(and a little creepy) here and back in MN..because I am a bleach blond, trashy looking thing..the poor Muslim men around here do not know how to handle me.
the male clerks in the store either leer or avert their eyes..it's very extreme reactions..maybe I should get a burqa?
anyway..

I find it ironic the Islam is suppose to mean 'peace'
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Postby zoltan2 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:26 am

orangetom1999 wrote:I am aware since learning of the 95 or so thesis-es that Martin Luther posted on the door at Wittenberg, Germany ..of the grievances against the Catholic Church.

What I came later to learn was the level of depravity which took place...among the reigns of certain Popes. Not just by the Popes themselves but also by the clergy. You have to dig to find this information's as it is not customarily out in the open. It is the same with the levels of Depravities which took place in Ancient Rome itself. This too is kept sanitized from most versions of history.

What was a shock to me was to learn that there were actually Brothels in Rome which serviced exclusively the clergy....and particularly the higher up clergy. And they remained in Rome doing this service for many many years.

When Ancient Rome fell...they made a Church out of the State..under Constantine...and then made up the rules as they went along to hide much from the public. It was still a state religion....just as was Ancient Rome. You had to recognize the Roman Emperors as being at least "a god" and you were fine and let go.

Under Roman Catholicism...you had to recognize the power of the Popes and Rome...or be labeled a "Heretic" and you could be killed.

Not much far removed from what is happening in Militant and Radical Islam today. Outsiders can be killed and particularly for criticizing Islam. Infidels.
Insiders who break the faith can be killed as well.

Both Roman Catholicism and Islam are religions of Peace...Yes??
Some of you might want to find out what is in some of the Papal Bulls..still outstanding.
There are other religions out here with problems...but these two are dominant and also not the product advertised.

But you have to know some history to follow this trail..for our media and public education will not connect these dots for you.
You have to be able to think and reason outside the box of what passes for education today.

What is also very interesting to me ..and once again you have to train yourself to spot it for the disinformation it is....is that whenever someone wants to make a point about Christianity ..they automatically refer to the Church at Rome as all the example needed of Christianity. Time Magazine is famous for this fingerprint as well as is Newsweek.

But once you know the History of the Church at Rome...quite another picture is painted...The Traditions of men.


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Postby zoltan2 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:41 am

greeney2 wrote:Let me know as soon as the Pope orders airplanes to crash into the tallest building in Tehran, and kill a few thousand innocent Muslims. Somehow I think its not going to happen. Thats just my public education talking again! :lol:


The Vatican and the Jesuits have been always involved in wars and revolutions. It might not be planes but missiles and they will put their two cents or green light and condone the killing.

Lets have a look at what the past popes did :mrgreen: the Vatican and the Jesuit Order have always been involve in wars and all kinds of coup etat Why do you think that all kings Queens presidents dictators visit the pope and bows to him

In 1917 Pope Benedict XV did commission and authorize Archbishop Pacelli, then papal nuncio (ambassador) also known later as Pope Pius XII, to Munich, Germany in May 1917 under the diplomatic guise to negotiate a Concordat (Treaty) with largely Protestant Germany. That to assist in negotiating such an agreement, the Pope did authorize the release of approximately 60 cases of Gold (over 1,000 gold bars) representing approximately $80 to $100 million (2006 US equivalent dollars) to travel with Archbishop Pacelli under the pretence of “60 cases of special foods for his delicate stomach”. However, that these funds, originally themselves obtained through crime were to never intended for the support of failing German government and military, but as funds to support anti-Communist political movements and sympathizers.

During 1919-1958 Archbishop Pacelli later Pope Pius XII did both write, act and behave in a manner of inciting violence, hatred and suppression of rights of individuals upon the basis of their religious, political and ethnic background including, but not restricted to: all black people, all ethnic Jews, all orthodox Christians and communists/socialists. That Archbishop Pacelli later Pope Pius XII did display not only a bitterness towards these groups, but an open hatred and violent anger consistent with their potential demise and/or suppression.


In 1919/1920, Archbishop Pacelli later Pope Pius XII did actively campaign to have black French troops removed from the Rhineland, convinced that they were “raping women and abusing children” - even though an independent inquiry sponsored by the U.S. Congress, of which Pacelli was aware, proved this allegation false.

In 1943/1944, Pope Pius XII did specifically request the British Foreign Office that no Allied colored troops would be among the small number that might be garrisoned in Rome after the occupation

Between (1920 – 1945): Archbishop Pacelli later Pope Pius XII and the Jesuit order under the control of Superior General Wlodimir Ledochowski did help form the Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (German Workers' Party), abbreviated DAP, into the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP), also known as the Nazi Party as instructed to Adolf Hitler. That the initial purpose of the Nazi Party as formed by the Catholic Church was to establish a pro-Catholic political party capable of defeating its opposition and gaining control of government; second to establish a Concordant between the Catholic Church and the whole of Germany guaranteeing a massive financial pipeline in compensation for losing the Papal States; and third the elimination of all opposition including social reform/democratic minded groups, especially protestants, orthodox christians, communists and ethnic Jews.

Archbishop Pacelli (later Pope Pius XII) did mentor Hitler to join the DAP, did arrange form him to report to him regularly (at least each month, sometimes weekly) until Pacelli appointment of Vatican Cardinal Secretary of State in 1929 and did provide all the financial support and means for Hitler’s rise to Chairman of the NSDAP in 28 July 1921.

Furthermore, that Archbishop Pacelli did use the gold brought in to Germany in 1917 to help fund the rapid expansion of the Nazi Party, including its first reform as a paramilitary organization in 1921.

Between (1921 – 1945): Archbishop Pacelli later Pope Pius XII on instructions from Superior General Wlodimir Ledochowski did instruct Adolf Hitler in 1921 to establish a paramilitary wing to the NSDAP to be known as the Sturmabteilung (SA) also known as Storm Troopers. That Jesuit priests did train the first recruits of the SA in espionage, counter intelligence, assassination and propaganda. That the purpose of the SA was to assist in the control of organized protests, riots, intimidation of opponents and political assassinations.

Between (1929-1945) the secret agreement, by Superior General Wlodimir Ledochowski and later confirmed by Pope Pius Pius XII upon his ascension to the throne, that SS officers of the Nazis were given the spiritual powers of Jesuit priests did represent a supreme heresy of Catholic doctrine and faith, against all spiritual teaching. That many of the SS officers were married.

Furthermore, that by 1939 and upon the power of the Pope, these actions of conferring priestly powers to SS officers active in the Final Solution was in full knowledge of their orders and acts of barbarity and inhumanity. That the very purpose of conferring powers of priesthood of SS officers was precisely to make sure that all human sacrifice through the death camps was consistent with the High Mass of Satanism of the Roman Catholic Church.

From (1933 to present) the Roman Catholic Church of Germany has received and continues to receive payments by the taxpayers of Germany equating to a church tax consistent with the terms of a Concordant signed by Adolf Hitler and Pope Pius XI immediately upon Hitler gaining control of Germany. That the historic claim of these taxes date back to Aristocratic tributes to Rome in light of the loss of the Papal States under Napoleon in the 19th Century. That these payments to the Vatican have remained intact and have consistently been paid since 1933 before Word War II, during World War II, during the split of Germany and Communism and now under the unification of Germany. That these payments constitute the obtaining of property by deception in claiming the Roman Catholic Church to be both an institution of public good and a lawful organization. The the total property earned by this criminal organization by stealing from the taxpayers of Germany since 1933 is between $20 and $50 Billion (2006 US equivalent dollar

Between (1933 – 1945) The Catholic church by authority, knowledge and control of Pope Pius XII did conspire and receive in excess of $10 billion (2006 equivalent US dollars) in payments from the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazis in exchanged for their moral and logistical support concerning the policies of the Nazis towards ethnic cleansing and genocide.

Between (1939-1945) Pope Pius XII with the full knowledge and tacit support of Jesuit Superor-General Wlodimir Ledochowski did hand to the Hitler and Himmler a complete blueprint for the systematic elimination of key non-Catholic minorities across Europe as well as the establishment of death camps for their murder. Furthermore, the Pope did instruct that ethnic Jews and other heretics were not simply to be murdered, but ritually sacrificed by being burnt alive, consistent with church law on the penalty of heresy. That this plan was to commence immediately and be overseen by the full Jesuit ordained priests of the SS. This plan was called the Final Solution.

As a result of the specific orders by Pope Pius XII, the German command devised an ingenious method of rendering Jews and other heretics unconscious through gas chambers within a matter of a couple of minutes using Zyklon-B. Victims were then restrained unconscious on stretchers and carted to massive furnaces in which they were placed fully alive, whereupon they would awaken screaming as they were burnt alive in the furnace. Contrary to the military fraud perpetrated by Allies commanders loyal to the Vatican, the death camps were established as early as 1940, at least two full years prior to what was claimed at Nuremberg. Furthermore, the camps did not cease sacrificing human beings being burnt alive until 1945.

That the single purpose of the death camp ovens was not to dispose of bodies but to specifically burn people alive, consistent with the ancient satanic practices upon which Christianity was first formed by the Sadducee Jewish noble families.

That this plan, created by the Vatican, authorized by Pope Pius XII and carried out by full Roman Catholic Priests who oversaw the concentration camps and furnaces represents the single greatest and most evil act of human history to date. Furthermore, the deliberate distortion of facts, the fact that the Pope was never tried as one of the worst mass murderers in history only magnifies the contempt towards international justice and the memory of all those who died.

In (1943) Uupon the entry of the Nazis to Rome in 1943, the Germans did commence the deportation of over 1,000 Jews who lived near the Vatican. That in a unique gesture, the German ambassador in Rome, fearing an anti-Pope backlash from the general Italian population, pleaded with the Pope on behalf of Adolf Hitler to issue a public protest to at least indicate the existence of some holiness claimed to be possessed by the office of Pope.. That no other historical record can be found where Hitler, or any of his officials did grant any person, official or organization the right to criticize it, except for the Vatican. In spite of this unique and extraordinary open invitation by Hitler to criticize him, Pope Pius XII refused and the Jews were sent by cattle cars to Auschwitz for burning. To this day, the Vatican has neither admitted this inhumanity, nor apologized to the 15 survivors.

Between (1943- 1948) Pope Pius XII did authorize the dedication of significant Vatican resources including finance, the drafting of false documents and secret diplomatic transport of many hundreds of individuals involved in the torture and mass murder of innocent individuals. That some of the individuals saved by the Pope and the Catholic Church included Adolph Eichmann, the supervisor of the extermination of the Jews, Dr Joseph Mengele the doctor who murdered hundreds of thousands with barbaric experiments as well as senior Croatian officials responsible for the horrendous torture and murder of hundreds of thousands.

That the system established by the Vatican to save war criminals from arrest became infamously known as the “Ratlines”. That all key personnel of the Vatican had full knowledge of the evil actions of the people it assisted and did undertake extraordinary diplomatic risks to ensure the safe passage of the very worst and most evil of the mass murderers. That in addition to Pius XII himself, Cardinal Montini (later Pope Paul VI) was in charge of ensuring the successful escape of these individuals.

In 1945): The Vatican did coordinate the transfer of the entire Croatian Ustasha Treasury using allied transport. That according to declassified CIA documents, in 1945 the Croatian Treasury consisted of 1700 kilograms of gold, 40,000 kilograms of silver, 2.5 million Swiss francs and a significant amount of diamonds, jewels, and other valuables valued at over $300 million (2006 US equivalent dollars). That the treasure was gained through the looting and plundering of valuables from Serbs, Jews, Romani, and citizens of the former Soviet Union, including Ukraine. That only one truck was “allowed” to be stopped and seized with a value of over $30 million in value, while over a dozen other allied transport vehicles did deliver the stolen treasury to the Vatican.

In (1946) Pope Pius XII did personally ensure the safety and escape of Ante Pavelic, head of one of the most brutal and satanist regimes in human history, the Croatian Ustashi. The Catholic Ustashi did murder at least 600,000 people in ways that can only be described as purely satanic including ritualistic cannibalism, crucifixion, live dismemberment, burning alive and excessive torture. That the Pope did shelter Pavelic for a period in Castelgandolfo, the Pope’s summer residence along with other mass murderers and fugitives from justice. That the Pope did also shelter Pavelic in the Vatican itself for a period of time. That upon preparing his diplomatic immunity under the Vatican, the Pope did arrange for Ante Pavelic to become the aid to Catholic Argentine President Juan Peron. Furthermore, that the Pope did ensure virtually the entire war cabinet of the satanist Ustashi successfully escaped.

In 1955 Pope Pius XII and Jesuit Superior General Jean-Baptiste Janssens did financial support and lobby for the election of staunch Catholic President Ngo Dinh Diem as President of South Vietnam in 1955. That upon being elected, the Catholic Church promoted Diem as a Catholic dictator in persecuting Buddhism and all non-catholic interests. That in 1958, the Catholic Church did then arrange an agreement

With Ho Chi Minh the Catholic Church would not oppose him if he invaded the South and that all money earned from the drug trade would be split more equitably on the condition of protecting French Catholic families and their land holdings managing the opium farms of the Jesuits. That these deliberate actions did ferment the conditions Vietnam War. Furthermore, upon the commencement of guerrilla actions against the South, the Catholic Church through the CIA did convince the American government to support the Catholic South. That upon the election of John F. Kennedy as President, Cardinal Spellman did convince him to escalate the military support of the United States. That as a result of these deliberate actions of the Catholic Church, over 2,000,000 were killed, including over 50,000 US casualties. :mrgreen:

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Postby orangetom1999 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:44 am

Zoltan2,

Wow ..that is alot of informations and details about the connection between Nazi Germany and Rome. I knew this information was out there but not to the extent of the details you have provided.

I ran across this because I found a photo of the concordant signing between Rome and The Nazi hierarchy during a meeting in 1933/34. In this photo as an aide to the leaders from Rome and the Papacy ..is a Cardinal named Monti.
Cardinal Monti is to go on to become Pope John Paul VI.

I am also aware that there is a long standing disagreement between many of the Masonic Lodges in the world and Rome. But this information's is mostly kept out of the public view. I suspect that the Lodges have been against Rome for many many centuries..but some of this came to a head when the Vatican Properties were overthrown in a revolution in Italy in the 1860s/1870s by Giuseppe Garibaldi....himself a Mason. You can see in certain Masonic Publications ..the Masons parading through Vatican Square in their Masonic Aprons and bowing in a ritual...in celebration of the conquering of the Papal headquarters.

The Nazi party..themselves a lodge...seemed to have made an agreement with Rome...themselves a lodge..Hellenic Pharisees...to solidify their hold on Germany...Protestant in the north of Germany and Catholic in the South of Germany.
And then the Nazis went on ..to their conquerings.
To my limited knowledge much of this view and understanding has been covered up both on the side of the West after WW2 and also from the Vatican...The Lodges here do not want this history out...about the Nazis being a lodge .nor does Rome.

Rome seemed to have come into Conflict within its own ranks in the 1970s and 1980s in Nicaragua...with the Sandinistas. It seems the Jesuits and their priesthood were heavily involved with the Communists..as administrators for them in the take over and running of the Nicaraguan government. This through the Jesuit Black Pope.
At one point as I remember this was causing a severe rift between Rome and the Jesuit order. It seems the Jesuits were running a program totally on their own in Nicaragua against the orders and instructions/direction of Rome.
All this while the slaughter was going on heavily in central America around Nicaragua.
What I find very interesting is the almost total absence of any of this information's until it could no longer be concealed. Our own government here in America cannot have avoided knowing of the connection the Jesuit order had to the Communists running Nicaragua. Yet little to nothing was said in our news media about this until it could no longer be hidden...many years later.

I am also aware through careful reading of history books of the slaughter of non catholics/Heretics by Catholic chapters of the Nazi party operating in Croatia...the Ustashi connections. This is also a very covered up history as well. You have to go to mostly outside mainstream sources back then to find it. Today it can be found doing some deeper searching on the web...but at one time .. before home computers...you had to go to outside MSM sources to find it. It was covered up.

It is my belief that at some time in the future ..as the Muslim world becomes more powerful and united..they will come into conflict and turn against Rome and Rome's dogma/religion.

As our own Stateside Government becomes more and more like Ishmael and away from Issac...I wonder who's side our government will be taking...without letting most of Americans know what is going to be happening.
The key here is knowing that neither Rome nor the Muslims are like the line of Issac. Both of them are after Ishmael....yet they are in conflict..as well as in conflict with other Ishmaelite groups.




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Postby at1with0 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:39 pm

greeney2 wrote:Let me know as soon as the Pope orders airplanes to crash into the tallest building in Tehran, and kill a few thousand innocent Muslims. Somehow I think its not going to happen. Thats just my public education talking again! :lol:


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