The Black Vault

at1with0 wrote:

greeney2 wrote:All you have to do is let God in.

How are you supposed to do that when letting God all the way in drives you insane?

I am originally from Georgia.

I moved to Indiana to marry a woman I met that lives there. I quit my job to do that. Then after a couple years in Indiana, my Georgia employer asked me to transfer back to Georgia (I called them because my wife said she'd like to move to Georgia). That didn't work out, because after just 3 months, she wanted to move back to Indiana (pathetic). So I went back to Indiana and worked from home until about 4 and a half years ago when she and I divorced and I transferred here to Texas. I love Texas. And I love my current and final lovely wife, whom I met here.

ricardo wrote:

at1with0 wrote:Smoke signals, eH?

let him be w/ out putting him in a categorical box if no harm. ?

there is the potential for great harm.

smoke signals for some I believe is over rated, if it doesn't 'produce results'

can you qualify that at1w/0 ? tip -you don't have to be an Christian or

nonbeliever , (atheist) to answer. open question.

Island_Girl wrote:Some people may enjoy or feel self righteous by sitting in church
or on their knees in prayer. If that works for them then it is good.
We are all in different stages of developement. Then again there may be
people like myself that get "ants in their pants" sitting in church or prayer
groups. When someone asks me to prayer for them, I will. My mind likes to
create, I get bored with reciting the same words over and over so I engage my mind
with my own version of positive vibration in the direction of the group or person
in need of prayer. I get a hunk of clay and form something interesting. Sometimes
a poem or a musical creation in behalf of the one in need or a dance , etc. So this
is what can work for people that want the best for humanity but feel uncomfortable
having to follow the "rules" of religion or social organizaions. I'm not meaning to
be argumentative, just posting my thoughts.

at1with0 wrote:

greeney2 wrote:What has been the universal argument here for a year or more? The concept that God does not exist, but the IG site, and individual posting that when its something bad to blame, the premise is God exists for the purpose of showing only bad. God doesn't exist, but if God does, blame all the bad things on God. HOw many times have I said that to you and EH?

How do you not blame God for permitting all sorts of suffering, even suffering beyond one's control (ie, a better decision to not suffer is impossible).

A sin of omission, I think it's called.

ricardo wrote:agreed . DRS. egos... yo saying its possible for the human mind.
and here you mean spirit can surpass physical probabilities when contemplating
temporal possibilities ( spatial) ?

I'm back. before I forget I actually im quite pleased to hear someone discuss anything concerning the injustice suffered on the Jews during the traumatic events w/out argument that took place during world war two. under the nazi party and German war machine. I have knowledge from survivers and participants during that era ( on the winning side/righteous ) whom leave me
w/ no doubt the holocaust was an real event. why -in the interest of knowledge
is this subject of numbers and topic illegal in several countries.? -rhetorical
and understood to be painful. but should not be used for political gain over another race or political belief as justification for human rights abuse.
iran questions this because of the abuse it has suffered at the various wars
imposed on its homeland. Palestinians too. they are being absorbed and displaced. like native Americans.

frrostedman wrote:"Always existed" is a relative term by the way. "Always" can mean since the beginning of "time," meaning the beginning of reality as we know it, or, it can mean literally always which predates the creation of anything and makes no sense whatsoever. I just tried for an instant just to grasp the concept of something always being, never having not been, and never having been created and it made my stomach hurt a little. Weird. Now, I know that the bible says God always existed, but I personally prefer to take that in the former context of the 2 I stated above. I am not speaking from authority here. I am offering opinion only.

frrostedman wrote:

at1with0 wrote:

event_horizon wrote:"inarguable fact"...

If that's the best he can do, it does seem pretty inarguable. Except that it might be an even simpler explanation that the universe wasn't created at all.

The fact that the universe exists means it was created. It's what did the creating that is the crux of the matter, and an outside force is the simplest explanation. Forget who created the Creator and on and on beyond infinity. That's not the question that is of concern and debate, and that's not one that can be answered definitively by anyone or any text.

1. The universe exists.
2. Logic dictates... demands... that therefore the universe was created.
3. The simplest explanation for how the universe or anything else gets created, is by an outside force.
4. All other theories, though they may have plenty of merit, still unnecessarily convolute and complicate.
5. If you can't eliminate the simplest explanation, why insist that something else must be true? It's not logical.