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Postby hxxx » Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:26 am

There is no such thing as "less omnipotent".

All powerful. Or not.

If all powerful, then there is no impossible scenario.

Enter Faith.
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Postby at1with0 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:52 am

So the ability to make all things possible manifest is not omnipotence, it takes all things possible and impossible?

If we confine ourselves to chess, a knight must move in an L shape, two in one direction and one in the perpendicular direction. Chess does not imply that "actual" knights need to move in that way. "True" knights like Luke Skywalker are not limited to moving in an L shape.

By analogy, most of the time, we are confining ourselves to Aristotle's logic. In that logic, omnipotence can't exist for if nothing is impossible then it is impossible that the statement "nothing is impossible" is false. Or, if you prefer, omnipotence can't exist because it would entail that nothing is impossible.

A "truly" omnipotent being, like a "true" knight, is not limited to Aristotelian logic, and its nature is no more dictated by logic than Luke Skywalker's nature is dictated by chess.
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Postby hxxx » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:50 pm

If there are tasks that an all-powerful being cannot do, then...
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Postby at1with0 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:49 pm

IOW, logic won't be dictating anything an all-powerful being can and can't do.
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Postby bionic » Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:27 am

What if it turns out you are a low self esteem omnipotent being? Then what?
Willie Wonka quotes..
What is this Wonka, some kind of funhouse?
Why? Are you having fun?
A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.
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Postby at1with0 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:54 am

bionic wrote:What if it turns out you are a low self esteem omnipotent being? Then what?


First step would be to try to not go more insane.
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Postby bionic » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:19 am

like Anjelina's tattoo states..
"that which destroys me, creates me"
Willie Wonka quotes..
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Why? Are you having fun?
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Postby at1with0 » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:01 pm

Until you find that which creates, creates, and it is much healthier, imo, than using destruction as a method of creation.
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Postby bionic » Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:12 am

pfft..I call bullshite on you..
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Postby at1with0 » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:40 pm

If you want to stick to destruction as a form of creation, then all I have to say is fly Phoenix, fly....
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