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Postby at1with0 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:27 pm

Well, it's an axiom that all such questions must have a single answer yes or no.

How about Mu? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_%28negative%29 (yes and no are both right and wrong)

How about both yes and no simultaneously?
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Postby greeney2 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:00 pm

I would like to see science create a small pebble from absolutly nothing.
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Postby at1with0 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:58 pm

They can make two small objects from 1 small object. I forget what quantum mechanical principle that is (entanglement, spooky action, etc.).

Creating two from one is in some sense equivalent to creating one from zero. If you look at the set of all companions of the original thing, it starts as empty, containing nothing, and then from that nothing, the set increases to a singleton.

That certainly screws up the whole notion of counting, in that macro counting and micro (quantum) counting work differently. Not too surprising as infinite arithmetic also is different and we're just talking about infinitesimal counting, basically.

It's not strictly speaking creating something from nothing but it's progress.

What will happen to your worldview when non-God's can create universes from nothing, suggesting that ours needn't have been created by God either?
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Postby mrshumphreys » Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:15 am

greeney2 wrote:I would like to see science create a small pebble from absolutly nothing.



I'd like to see a god create a small pebble from nothing. :roll:
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Postby humphreys » Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:34 am

I would like to see humans make a God from nothing.

Oh wait...we've been doing that for centuries :o
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Postby greeney2 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:08 pm

I have to admit, that was funny, but you agree science can't do that from your reply. :lol:
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Postby humphreys » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:20 pm

greeney2 wrote:I have to admit, that was funny, but you agree science can't do that from your reply. :lol:


Science didn't create the Universe, so science doesn't have to create something from nothing :shh:
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Postby at1with0 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:45 pm

And no one claims "science" is omnipotent.
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Postby hxxx » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:28 pm

What can an omnipotent being not do?
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Postby at1with0 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:56 pm

If something genuinely is impossible, is a being any less omnipotent for not being able to do it?
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