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Postby hxxx » Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:49 pm

Groups like AlQaeda are and were based out of caves/failed states/war zones because they were unwelcome in more civilized places. The idea that the large majority of Muslims somehow tolerate radical extremists is plain wrong.
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Postby greeney2 » Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:27 am

And they were powerless to do anything about them if they could. How did that go for Muslim woman and children living under the Taliban in Afganistan? Think they played pass the Bible there?
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Postby The_Joker » Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:37 pm

It was never my intent for arguments to ensue over what I posted. I felt that the information I posted needed to be disclosed. But if you wish to discuss "Religion vs Ideology" you may need to take a look at this:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/20/islam-is-more-ideology-than-religion-f-b-i-analyst-says-in-video/

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Postby The_Joker » Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:40 pm

You may also wish to look at the 7 parts of this video presentation..It is produced by a Coptic Christian..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPVmJ9kOv4o
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Postby hxxx » Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:16 pm

How about that War on Terror?
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Postby zoltan2 » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:58 am

The_Joker wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAIqAD5JsBs



Very Good video Thanks
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Postby The_Joker » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:19 pm

A hypothesis was put to me recently re Islam and terrorism. We can safely say terrorism in the late 20th century was mostly Islamic (99/9% of it was to be precise) and the .1% can be attributed to Brejvic in Sweden.

the hypothesis essentially states that the links of terrorism and Islam in todays age can be linked to the Saudi Royal Family and Saudi Arabia both either separately or together. In that many of the terrorists have/had or have/had connections to Saudi Arabia or indeed the Royal Family.
Prime example is Bin Laden for instance. His connections to the Royal Family of Saudi Arabia are quite well known not only as an heir to a Oil Fortune but as a relative (albeit distant)

Saudi Arabia have the strictest Sharia laws and they also strictly enforce Sharia Law more than any other country including that of Afghanistan (even when under the Taliban regime).

The Muslim Brotherhood can be traced back to the Saudi Royal Family indirectly, as most people with the knowledge on such subjects will tell you the Muslim Brotherhood is a known terrorist funding organization.

The Saudis and the other Arabic States are pretty much in control of the U.N and have been for some time, they also control OPEC and a few other Alphabet organizations and once again these organizations can be associated with the Saudi Royal family.

They are well and truly in control, nobody can buy oil unless at the OPEC price regardless of the quality of Crude Oil or the amount of reserves they have. the tentacles of OPEC are far reaching and powerful. My understanding is that U.S Oil reserves are sufficient to sustain the U.S for 300 years yet the U.S have to buy the majority of the Oil from the Saudis or through OPEC ( same thing as far as I can see).

In a sense therefore America is funding terrorism against it's self and supporting the Saudi Royal Family not only financially but politically which to me seems like a revolving door policy.

Because these arrangements have been going on for so long there is no way out without breaching some U.N Policy or resolution or indeed war.

The superpower that the United States once was is no longer a fact, it is an illusion that has been carried forth by those who have waged war on her since JFK's assassination from the halls of Capitol Hill, The Pentagon, Langley and indeed the White House itself as they serve the U.N and it's Saudi Owners.

The theory is an interesting one for sure and it holds a lot of truth in it.

The question therefore begs, "If the theory is true and the NWO are seeking a single religion is ISLAM that religion and is it the Saudis who are the NWO?"
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Postby shadowcass » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:08 am

An awful lot of people seem to be worried about this.

Let's get a little clarity. In SOME Muslim countries (not all) preaching Christianity can carry a prison sentence or even the death penalty. The people who go there and start engaging is this unlawful (by the laws of the nation they are visiting) activity know that going out the gate. Nevertheless they feel compelled to do it.
Which would impress me with their courage and their dedication to their Missionary Calling if the first thing they did after getting caught didn't happen to be to start crying for help.

Do you think the early Christian Martyrs behaved that way? They went to their deaths boldly praising God the whole way. If any group did that you might inspire some of these nations to change their laws.

(They might still kick your ass out but at least they'd respect you for having the courage of your convictions...which most of these Apostle wannabes don't).

You know, it's a basic sign of good manners to respect the beliefs and laws of whatever nation you happen to be visiting instead of trying to undermine their country with your own particular propaganda.

We in the West have a bad habit of doing that. (Especially is this an American trait...thinking we know precisely how everyone else should live and what God they should pray to and what form that worship should take).

How God chooses to deal with the descendents of Ishmael and Esau is His business. I know He deals differently with the descendents of Israel than He does with the Adopted Children of His New Covenant. I'm not in the position to tell God what to do. He does as He wills with ALL His children.

Finally, you can take quotes from ANY of the Three Major Religions (Christianity, Judaism, OR Islam) and show them to be...what was it "Philosphies of Violence Bent on World Domination"?)
Read the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) as the Exodus from Egypt progresses and the Israelites are ordered to kill every man, woman, and child of the tribes they encounter.

Study the History of Christianity, sometime...the Inquisition, the Witch-Trials throughout Europe and America...the Invasion of the Languedoc area of France when the Catholic Church set out to wipe out the Cathars....

And from now on let him who is WITHOUT sin....
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Postby zoltan2 » Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:50 am

IMO we are setting up for World War three were by the ruling elite,bankers, Zionism and the Vatican will provoke just like the other stage incidents with the other two world wars.
Also I beleive it will be not only a new political set up but a religious war too heading to one world religion siding with one world order.
The Vatican is the only religion that has a seat at the United Nations and with its wealth and power surpass all other religions.
This as already started while the Pope makes it clear and calls for a New World Order.
He endorses capitalism with a social conscience."the Vatican working to bring about a one-world government, from a religious standpoint
Catholicism, with the cooperation of the United States, wants to bring about a one-world government.

It is becoming clear that Germany is seeking to rally all Europe under Teutonic leadership in order to replace the United States as the world’s sole financial superpower. At the same time the Vatican is seeking to establish itself as the guiding force behind this forming European Empire.

Doing this in concert these two entities are furthering their respective goals.

German politicians loudly have put the blame for the current economic upheaval squarely on the United States and on the shortcomings of U.S.-style capitalism.
Chancellor Angela Merkel said it was the U.S. and British failure to listen to Germany that allowed the banking sector to get out of hand. According to German Finance Minister Peer Steinbrueck beleives another system must be put in place.

At the same time European Council President and French President Nicolas Sarkozy went so far as to declare the American economic system dead. Following this declaration, he proposed a special conference be convened to rebuild the entire global financial and monetary system from the bottom up, the way it was done at Bretton Woods after World War II. This means the end of the dollar as a super currency.

While the financial crisis increases to higher heights , Germany is specifically disassociating itself from the U.S. It wants to present itself as a credible economic alternative and is letting its European allies know that, and as the world’s largest goods exporter and the paymaster of Europe, it stands ready to lead the eurozone to superpower status should such a unified economy be established.

In order to do this and achieve this with the various cultures and nationalities in Europe it need Unity through a common ideology. What better unity than through a common religion identity.

Pope Benedict XVI and his Vatican hierarchy recognize this essential fact. They are eying this economic crisis as an opportunity to establish Catholicism as the guiding force behind this forming European superpower.

“Politics needs religion,” Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone said on September 30 in a speech published by L’Osservatore Romano. “When instead God is ignored, the ability to respect rights and recognize the common good begins to disappear.”

The cardinal went as far as saying that the current financial crisis was a result of a lack of Christian values in global politics.

The secretary of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, Giampaolo Crepaldi, called for Catholics to take a more active role in politics.
And get God out of the Pews. This words are backed by the pope, who said that the collapse of major banks shows that money is “nothing” and that “only God’s words are a solid reality.”

The Vatican is putting forward its brand of religious teachings as the solution to the world’s financial woes.

The Vatican is putting Catholic laity in labor movements, in government bureaucracies and in secret services across Europe.
With these people in place the pope and the Vatican is getting these same people to use their positions of influence to further the ambitions of the Catholic.

This is the pope’s strategy for transforming the Catholic Church into the guiding political ideology that will unite all Europe.

Soon all of Europe will be looking to the Vatican for political guidance and to Germany for economic leadership. This united European Empire will then be able to supplant ailing America’s global economic hegemony and emerge as the world’s sole financial superpower.

In a sense this is what you can called the resurrection of the Holy Roman Empire.

This powerful religious church-state political catholic dominated European Empire will be a great economic powerhouse. It will blind all nations with its wealth and splendor.

It will establish eventually a global financial system that will encompass the entire planet. The world is going to get a new reserve currency and its new one world religion.
But first all hell mus break loose in the middle East and all hell must break loose in the United States.
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Postby shadowcass » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:24 am

Industrial Strength Psychotherapy is definitely in your future.
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