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Postby greeney2 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:20 am

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4 photos - 20 hrs ago...See latest photos »....WASHINGTON (AP) — In a devastating double-blow to al-Qaida's most dangerous franchise, U.S. counterterrorism forces killed two American citizens who played key roles in inspiring attacks against the U.S., U.S. and Yemeni officials said Friday.

U.S-born cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan, who edited the slick Jihadi Internet magazine, were killed in an air strike on their convoy in Yemen by a joint CIA-U.S. military operation, according to counterterrorism officials. Al-Awlaki was targeted in the killing, but Khan apparently was not targeted directly.

After three weeks of tracking the targets, U.S. armed drones and fighter jets shadowed the al-Qaida convoy before armed drones launched their lethal strike early Friday. The strike killed four operatives in all, officials said. All U.S. officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss matters of intelligence.

Al-Awlaki played a "significant operational role" in plotting and inspiring attacks on the United States, U.S. officials said Friday, as they disclosed detailed intelligence to justify the killing of a U.S. citizen. Khan, who was from North Carolina, wasn't considered operational but had published seven issues of Inspire Magazine, offering advice on how to make bombs and the use of weapons. The magazine was widely read.

Following the strike, a U.S. official outlined new details of al-Awlaki's involvement in anti-U.S. operations, including the attempted 2009 Christmas Day bombing of a U.S.-bound aircraft. The official said that al-Awlaki specifically directed the men accused of trying to bomb the Detroit-bound plane to detonate an explosive device over U.S. airspace to maximize casualties.

The official also said al-Awlaki had a direct role in supervising and directing a failed attempt to bring down two U.S. cargo aircraft by detonating explosives concealed inside two packages mailed to the U.S. The U.S. also believes Awlaki had sought to use poisons, including cyanide and ricin, to attack Westerners.

The U.S. and counterterrorism officials all spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to discuss intelligence matters.

Al-Awlaki was killed by the same U.S. military unit that got Osama bin Laden. Al-Awlaki is the most prominent al-Qaida figure to be killed since bin Laden's death in May.

U.S. word of al-Awlaki's death came after the government of Yemen reported that he had been killed Friday about five miles from the town of Khashef, some 87 miles from the capital Sanaa.

The air strike was carried out more openly than the covert operation that sent Navy SEALs into bin Laden's Pakistani compound, U.S. officials said.

Counterterrorism cooperation between the United States and Yemen has improved in recent weeks, allowing better intelligence-gathering on al-Awlaki's movements, U.S. officials said. The ability to better track him was a key factor in the success of the strike, U.S. officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters.

Al-Awlaki's death is the latest in a run of high-profile kills for Washington under President Barack Obama. But the killing raises questions that the death of other al-Qaida leaders, including bin Laden, did not.

Al-Awlaki is a U.S. citizen, born in New Mexico to Yemeni parents, who had not been charged with any crime. Civil liberties groups have questioned the government's authority to kill an American without trial.

Awlaki's father, Nasser al-Awlaki of Yemen, had sued President Barack Obama and other administration officials 13 months ago to try to stop them from targeting his son for death. The father, represented by the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights, argued that international law and the Constitution prevented the administration from assassinating his son unless he presented a specific imminent threat to life or physical safety and there were no other means to stop him.

But U.S. District Judge John Bates threw out the lawsuit in December, saying a judge does not have authority to review the president's military decisions and that Awlaki's father did not have the legal right to sue on behalf of his son. But Bates also seemed troubled by the facts of the case, which he wrote raised vital considerations of national security and for military and foreign affairs. For instance, the judge questioned why courts have authority to approve surveillance of Americans overseas but not their killing and whether the president could order an assassination of a citizen without "any form of judicial process whatsoever."

U.S. officials have said they believe al-Awlaki inspired the actions of Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Hasan, who is charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder in the attack at Fort Hood, Texas.
In New York, the Pakistani-American man who pleaded guilty to the May 2010 Times Square car bombing attempt said he was "inspired" by al-Awlaki after making contact over the Internet.

Al-Awlaki also is believed to have had a hand in mail bombs addressed to Chicago-area synagogues, packages intercepted in Dubai and Europe in October 2010.

Al-Awlaki's death "will especially impact the group's ability to recruit, inspire and raise funds as al-Awlaki's influence and ability to connect to a broad demographic of potential supporters was unprecedented," said terrorist analyst Ben Venzke of the private intelligence monitoring firm, the IntelCenter.

But Venzke said the terror group al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula will remain the most dangerous regional arm "both in its region and for the direct threat it poses to the U.S. following three recent failed attacks," with its leader Nasir al-Wahayshi still at large.

Al-Awlaki wrote an article in the latest issue of the terror group's magazine justifying attacking civilians in the West. It's titled "Targeting the Populations of Countries that Are at War with the Muslims."

Al-Awlaki served as imam at the Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Va., a Washington suburb, for about a year in 2001.

The mosque's outreach director, Imam Johari Abdul-Malik, has said that mosque members never saw al-Awlaki espousing radical ideology while he was there and that he believes Awlaki's views changed after he left the U.S.
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Postby hxxx » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:15 am

Shameful. Another victory given to our enemies. Here you go badguys... Here's my founding principles on a platter....

He shouldn't have been killed and the U.S. should not be involved in assassinating our own citizens. The Nazis got a fair trial at Nuremberg; have we regressed this much morally as a country since then?

"All that we have to do is to send two mujahedeen to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al Qaeda, in order to make generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic and political losses without their achieving anything of note other than some benefits for their private corporations," - Osama bin Laden, 2004
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Postby greeney2 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:24 pm

The Nazis were in custody and had been arrested. They were charged with crimes and were given trials. Every single one of them, had they not been captured, could or would have been killed apprehending them. There were many who were killed, never having trials, and why it is called War. Many who got trials had surrendered.

These two were both fugitives, were wanted, while they were conducting ongoing terrorists acts against the United States and other NATO countries. They were the enemy, and who this war on terrorism is for. They were running and hiding, and were active in acts of terrorism. Wouldn't it be nice if we could just wing um like Roy Rogers, and have them say "Aw shucks, you got me pardner"? They had every opportunity to turn themselves in to a US Embassy. Ron Paul who wants to be President, was first to condemn this as an assasination. You wonder why Ron Paul didn't come close last time, it was because of his stance against the USA like this, and about our troops.

These people set the gound rules for themselves. They choose to do these things from remote places on the earth, eluding any and all conventional ways to find them. They are the ones who put the target on their own backs. Unfortunatly for them, the high tech world of today, found them and it took this kind of technology to eliminate them. They knew what their fate was going to be an still continued from remote places in the Middle East. The fact he is an American citizen is irrelevant, there are definatly not even close to being an American. They were a declared Enemy in a War that is not new. They had all their rights as Americans, had they choosen to surrender at a US Embassy, but they didn't. Bad choice not to, but they made it. When you want to live by the sword, you can die by the sword. You want to rig up airplanes to blow up, a smarter plane may get you first.
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Postby hxxx » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:59 am

They were alleged to be the enemy.
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Postby greeney2 » Sat Oct 01, 2011 4:39 pm

Give it 48 hours, and he will be a totally innocent choir boy, and victim who was killed just taking children to school. :roll:
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Postby hxxx » Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:26 pm

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Postby frrostedman » Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:18 am

Please, let's hear some more insightful quotes from Osama the wise....

Alleged, my a**

His own Awlaki tribe's motto is, "We are the sparks of Hell; whomever interferes with us will be burned." While imprisoned in Yemen, he studied the insidious works of Sayyid Qutb and became obsessed with him and the anti-Western Jihadist movement.

In his Jihadist blog he consistently encouraged others to commit violence against Western entities and fight for Jihad.

He was directly or indirectly involved in many of the most heinous Jihadist terrorist acts in history, including the 911 attacks, the 2005 London suicide bombings, the 2006 Toronto terrorism case, the 2007 Fort Dix attack plot, the 2009 Little Rock Military Office shootings, the 2010 Times Square Bomber, and the Fort Hood massacre.

Just because the Western governments you despise are the ones that blew the whistle on him, doesn't mean it therefore must be lies. I mean, what do you expect; the Yemeni or Iranian governments to research his Jihadist activities and submit the evidence? Obviously, the only governments that would have any reason to investigate the man and produce any evidence against him, are the ones he declared as his enemies.

You seem to have a problem blurring the lines between what you want to be true or false, and what actually is true or false.

And by the way, though I assume it is effective among your contemporaries, quoting Osama Bin Laden is not going to tip any arguments in your favor around here.

Charles Manson allegedly never killed a single person. And yet he rightfully got convicted. Many would argue he got off easy with life in prison.

Anyone who willfully colludes, conspires, incites, and inspires others to kill is just as dangerous as the killers, if not more so.
Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man. - Albert Einstein
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