shadowcass wrote:One more thing:
It is a common misconception that the New Testament was orignally written in Aramaic. SOME of it was...but Luke was born in Greece and was a highly educated man who had trained as a physician before he became a Roman slave. He wrote his gospel and the later "Acts of the Apostles" in GREEK.
Paul was a half-brother to Rufus Pudens Pudentianna (they had the same mother) Rufus Pudens Pudentianna served as an officer with the Roman Army in Britain and married a British woman Claudia Rufina and was named as a servant of the Emperar Claudius among the sepulchral chambers of the Imperial household. According to the Latin inscription on a stone discovered at Chichester, Pudens, son of Pudentinus, gave a site there for a Temple to Neptune and Minerva. The inscription also bears the name of the Emperor Tiberius Claudius, who died in AD 37, so we can be concluded that Rufus Pudens had not yet converted to Christianity until at least sometime after AD 37.
Rufus Pudens Pudentianna became the owner of Palatium Britannicum after his marriage to Caratacus's daughter (and the Roman Emperor Claudius' ADOPTED daughter) Claudia. The Palatium Britannicum (Palace of the Britons) was the main Christian Stronghold in Rome and is the household Paul sends his Epistle to the Romans TO "Salute Rufus chosen in the Lord, and his mother and mine." (Romans 16:13).
Paul was equally conversant in Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic and had studied Plato's Dialogues heavily in his youth (which fitted him for his role as Apostle to the Gentiles which the RISEN CHRIST selected him for).
Now, it doesn't matter whether you believe Jesus rose from the dead or not. I am not out to convert anyone. What I want people to see is that not all the early Christian figures were ignorant fishermen.
Paul is the founder of Christianity and deified Jesus
Christianity is a combination of Hellenistic Greek religious motifs with Jewish concepts. Paul is the real founder of Christianity.
But Paul is regarded as the great interpreter of Jesus' mission, who explained, in a way that Jesus himself never did, how Jesus' life and death fitted into a cosmic scheme of salvation, stretching from the creation of Adam to the end of time.
Jesus never knew Paul and they never once met.
The disciples who knew Jesus best, such as Peter, James and John, have left no writings behind them explaining how Jesus seemed to them or what they considered his mission to have been.
Do not forget that the Gospels and all of Paul's writings did not existed during Jesus time on earth.
Paul never met Jesus during his lifetime although once he saw a bright light that blinded him and voice saying Why do you persecute me.
We know about Paul from his own letters and the book of Acts, which gives a full account of Paul life. In fact, he is the hero of Acts, which was written by an admirer and follower named Luke who was also the author of the Gospel of that name.
Luke like Paul were not an immediate apostles of Jesus and they never met Jesus
Those who were immediate close to Jesus regarded with great suspicion and dismay the Christological theories of Paul, flaunting his brand new visions in interpretation of the Jesus whom he had never met in the flesh.
What would Jesus think of Paul
Paul's doctrine of Jesus is a daring departure from Judaism.
Paul was advocating a doctrine that seemed more in common with pagan myths than with Judaism.
It is Paul who started that Jesus was a divine-human person who had descended to Earth from the heavens and experienced death for the express purpose of saving mankind.
A way big difference of though when he got Stephan murder because the later said that Jesus was the son of God. before seeing the light.
The following people listed below that lived on earth during time have all received divine honors, have nearly all been worshiped as Gods, or sons of God; were mostly incarnated as Christs, Saviors, Messiahs, or Mediators. Many were reputedly born of virgins; some of them filling a character almost identical with that ascribed by the Christian's bible to Jesus Christ. Many of them are reported to have been crucified like Jesus.
More than twenty claims of this kind laid the foundation for the salvation of the world, and ascended back to heaven.
Chrishna of Hindostan.
Budha Sakia of India.
Salivahana of Bermuda.
Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt.
Odin of the Scaudinavians.
Crite of Chaldea.
Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.
Baal and Taut, "the only Begotten of God," of Phenicia.
Indra of Thibet.
Bali of Afghanistan.
Jao of Nepaul.
Wittoba of the Bilingonese.
Thammuz of Syria.
Atys of Phrygia.
Xaniolxis of Thrace.
Zoar of the Bonzes.
Adad of Assyria.
Deva Tat, and Sammonocadam of Siam.
Alcides of Thebes.
Mikado of the Sintoos.
Beddru of Japan.
Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.
Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.
Cadmus of Greece.
Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.
Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.
Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.
Ischy of the Island of Formosa.
Divine Teacher of Plato.
Holy One of Xaca.
Fohi and Tien of China.
Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece.
IxiOn and Quirinus of Rome.
Prometheus of Caucasus.
Mohamud, or Mahomet, of Arabia.
The Jews found this doctrine new and shocking and played no role in Jewish scripture.
Paul said that not only this doctrine doctrine was new but added that that every line of the Jewish scripture was a foreshadowing of the Jesus-event as he understood it.However the early Jewish Christians refused to believe Jesus was divine and were defiant of Paul's Church to accept the divinity of Christ, who never claimed to be God.
The early Christians opposed the tendency to regard Jesus as divine. They laid great stress on the Unity of God as expressed in the original teachings of Jesus and asserted that although he was a prophet, he was essentially a man like other men, even if highly favored by his Lord. The same faith was held by the Churches which had sprung up in North Africa and West Asia.
The Nazarenes first Jewish Christian church never considered Jesus to be divine or the son of God. He was given the messiah ship after his baptism by John.
Messiah ship meaning anointed one.
Christ is the English term for the Greek Χριστός (Khristós) meaning "the anointed one It is a translation of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Māšîaḥ).The Nazarenes never accepted the teachings and writings of Paul.
In fact, they looked upon Paul as an apostate who was not of pure Jewish blood.
THE RISE OF CONSTANTINE & THE COUNCIL OF NICAEA…THE LOSS OF THE FAITH OF JESUS
The Council of Nicaea 325 AD, summoned by the Emperor Constantine, the Great, was the first ecumenical council to be assembled.
It was the foundation for the creation of a “New Religion” never intended by God nor taught by Jesus.
By 312 AD, Constantine had been at war for six years, and was eager for something to lend his cause extra support. A Christian observer who produced accounts of the event a few years later claimed that Constantine saw a Chi-Rho monogram in a vision on the eve of the battle of the Milvian bridge, accompanied by the words: 'Hoc signo victor eris! By this sign, you shall be the victor.
Whether this vision was actual or dictated by anxiety remains questionable. In any case, he had crosses painted on his army's shields and won the battle, becoming the Emperor of Rome.
This inspired his conversion to Christianity (though not baptized then).
In Milan 313 AD, he issued an Edict of Toleration to all religions. But believing his battleground success to be won with divine providence, he sympathized more with the Christians, who hitherto had suffered sporadic persecution.
The Emperor lavished huge sums of money to build Basilicas and other Churches for them, coupled with preferential treatments of Christian candidates for administrative posts.
In this way, Constantine closed one era and opened another.
CONSTANTINE...CONVERTED YET STILL PAGAN????
Emperor Constantine was happy with the collection of heavenly patrons. He believed reverence for deity to be indispensable for the tranquility of the commonwealth and regarded the Christian God as just another heavenly patron, not incompatible with others although perhaps more powerful. He maintained ties with the Sol Invictus cult (Sun Worship) even after his conversion.
The Council Of Nicaea in 325 AD on the orders of Constantine was there in Nicaea so that he could personally control the proceedings. The Synod took place between June l9th and August 25th. The Emperor summoned all Church leaders with the aim of reaching a consensus over the status of Jesus.
The number of bishops who attended was around 318.
Constantine regarded the religious question exclusively from the angle of political expedience.
His interest was to secure peace rather than any theological verdict.
He had already adopted the Sol Invictus as the state deity, so if Jesus could somehow be deified he would be more easily compatible with Sol Invictus.
As the parties were in conflict, the task of deciding the fate of Jesus was deferred unto Constantine who was theologically incompetent and was inclined to making decisions on inadequate grounds. To him the deification of a man would not have seemed important.
He had his father Constantius deified on his death and expected to be granted the same honor on his demise.
He ruled in favor of Jesus' deification, and demanded that the delegates should sign acceptance to what became known as the Nicene Creed.
This Creed is the first dogmatic definition of the Church and has served as a backbone of Christian orthodoxy through the ages.
It defined the relations of Jesus to the Father within the Godhead as homoousion tot patri (of one substance with the Father) designed specifically to exclude Arianism.
Eusebius of Caesarea writings makes it explicit that the Emperor himself proposed this term.
The delegates that gave assent to the Creed statement were to be invited to stay on at Nicaea as Constantine's guests for his 2Oth Anniversary celebrations, while those who rejected the Creed would be banished.
This is how Jesus got deified.
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