The Black Vault

The Tea Party is a gross personified distortion of the real genuine anti-government sentiment (warranted) and middle-class economic deterioration. They communicate genuine issues (government bailouts, corruption, etc.), but present solutions that are unequivocally anti-working-class.

Its not often that I'm disappointed by you Aquarian, but I'd say that was far too nice of an explanation regarding the movement. If you ask me, the tea party is a last ditch effort to save politics period. People are just straight up sick of it all, government knows this, these people appear ridiculous to me. As if you can seriously believe that government still has the ability to turn around. That is false hope.
That is a time of the past, not a time of the future. For people that don't see things this way, I understand, but its just what I see. And I do not believe that everyone involved in Politics buys into the corruption of the system, however at this time in the world, they are far far outnumbered. Tea Party included.

That's because I'm an overall nice kind of guy

However, sandra, we have to take into consideration that the Tea Party phenomenon reflects the immense social crisis and general economic distress the country is facing. The Tea Party victories, for example, show a distortion of the anger of pockets of the population. Independent of the Tea Party, which was arguably initiated by Sarah Palin, I am sure that many of these people did not look towards these socially regressive movements as the antidote to well-recognized government corruption. Instead, the Tea Party presented themselves TO them and seeing as how both parties are failures, they were essentially co-opted into the "movement". The "victories" by the way, were not really "victories" in the populist sense; considering less than 20% of the population voted in those primaries, with lots of wealthy beneficiaries funding the faux-grassroots movements. The Koch brothers of Kansas and Rupert Murdoch of FOX Corp. know this too well. It becomes a pseudo-populist metamorphosis, but soon people will realize that the Tea Party is just an extension of the Republican Party; all in an effort to create a broad base of support for reactionary policy-making, rampant militarism, policies against immigrant communities, gays/lesbians, etc.

So what you are saying is that the only right way is the liberal way, and that we should open the gates from Mexico, demilitarize completly, and become a neutral 3rd or 10th rated country. We should not allow any 3rd party to emerge, unless that 3rd party happened to be in agreement with your agendas they would be fine, such as gay rights, blaming the banks for people living beyond their means, and further welfare? But if it borders on Conservative side, it is bad?

You have just as much of a movement for Conservative values, and those who think a very strong military is the utmost importance. Something is wrong when we are more worried about gays in the military, than our troops in combat, not having everything they need to come back alive. Your current President would not vote for supplies they needed when he was a Senator, now as Commander in Chief, he tells the enemy when we will give up and go home. He doesn't give the Generals the men they asked for, and expects them to complete the job anyway. Isn't it amazing, he never served a second in the military, now he is the Top General. The Jerk can't even salute the right way, returning a salute to those who protect him.

Those who labled all the Bush years as fear mongering, baby killing or torture supporters, are the ones who are now blowing big time, their sad attempt to turn our economy around. Liberal values are in complete control now and they are failing, you can not blame the Republicans, the Democrates own everything they have done along with Obama. You keep referring to the corporations of the world running the show, but if that was true, you would not have the major swings in policy, from the Reagan to Bush1 to Clinton to Bush to Obama, If big business was running the show, nothing much would have changed much, yet every administration is totally different. Our system also staggers and rotates the election of the Congress, so the same foothold in Washington is ever changing, and not controlled by every big business. If it was do you think, the big auto makers would have allowed imports to be able to bankrupt them?

Any emerging 3rd party probably will not make it, but the fact we have them crop up shows unity, which is the American system. You wouldn;t be arguing if that 3rd party movement happened to be an all gay/lesbian rights party, equal in size to the tea party, I don't think Aquarian. You would be behind that movement 100%, and whoever would be the Sarah Palin of that movement, would be a leader in your mind I'm sure.

Greeney, I see no fundamental difference between any members of the two party system. What I see, and what many others realize, is that the two parties fight over strategy, tactics and it becomes a general power struggle among egotistical individuals. No party has altered American policy to a great extent since after Kennedy. And even before then, it was to serve certain clandestine interests (re: Eisenhower), or to stave off the possibility of a worker-led revolt (re: Roosevelt's "New Deal"). American foreign policy, for example, while differs on strategy APPROACH, relies on the same modicum of expanding American empire, geostrategic influence, protecting American "interests" abroad, and more important, establishing a global economic arena conducive to unilateral privilege.

Something is wrong when we are more worried about gays in the military, than our troops in combat, not having everything they need to come back alive. Your current President would not vote for supplies they needed when he was a Senator, now as Commander in Chief, he tells the enemy when we will give up and go home. He doesn't give the Generals the men they asked for, and expects them to complete the job anyway. Isn't it amazing, he never served a second in the military, now he is the Top General. The Jerk can't even salute the right way, returning a salute to those who protect him.


I agree with the first part; there is something extremely wrong with the establishment gay/lesbian/transgendered/etc. organizations like the Campaign for Human Rights who insist on supporting mainstream candidates and who have become servile to the Democratic Party. Instead of championing full civil rights (including marriage law), they focus on DADT, which, coming from people like Petraeus, will be used as a recruitment tool for more fighters. Also, he could have voted however he wanted to vote as a Senator among the liberal milleu, but he's President now; and he has expanded Bush's wars of aggression, including the proxy war in Pakistan. He's the Criminal in Chief now, not Bush. And the Democratic Party, along with the Republican Party, is just as complicit in the criminality.

I care about gays in the military!

I care about ALL children who join the military, whether they be gay straight or trans!

I want NONE of them to voluntarily join the military.

My thought is that they're fighting the wrong battle.

Why fight to join something that murders?

Common'! There are bigger fish to fry! This is NOT the battle!

I encourage NO ONE to join the military voluntarily either. If the day ever comes where there is a draft (if we launch a preemptive attack on Iran, for example), I will encourage breaking the law by first disposing of my own draft card and rallying others to my support. It is akin to slavery.

You can't fix a corrupt system by working with it. Its time to realize that the means of governing ourselves are completely outdated and insufficient to the world that we are apart of. So, we must use the stepping stones of current & past systems to finally create a unified better society. This will not come through political movements. The Tea Party takes right after the totalitarianism of our Bipartisan agenda: progress, reformation, otherwise (to its core) sustainability. Sustaining the fundamentally same political leaders that perpetuate corporate alliances, big business, deficit spending, resource annihilation, pollution, war, etc. All at our cost, our struggle. I don't want some rich government executive fighting for me. I want my voice heard, along with everyone else that can see our government is simply not doing its job. What kind of democratic government is this where instead of supporting a higher education we support militant efforts, chemically-pumped foods, trampling human rights? I could on, but can't people see that we aren't making any kind of progress as human beings?

I find it naive that people think they can make change by rallying behind political leaders, all of whom are agents of money & greed and conquistadors of the working class. What do we hope to find if the Tea Party gains steam? We need something more than a grassroots movement, we need something to unite us as a people and learn that it is us that is actually in power. We are the many, they are the few. We need a Revolution, not a political agenda.

Absolutely. Well-said and welcome!

Uh, excuse me. It has always been the socialist systems which engaged in ever increasing deficit spending to the point that they collapsed AND it is because the US has become socialist that it too has embarked on a mission of deficit spending. Its the socialism in the system that is driving the increased spending. You people focus on the bit of money going to corporations but that is just the tip of the iceberg. Entitlements in the US are HUGE. I dare you to even try to list all the social spending programs in the US. Way more than any nation in history. Get your facts straight.

As far as the TP goes, and GRMs in general, the problem is that historically workers revolts have always been socialist movements. But that won't work now because the system is socialist. So the movement will have to choose, and is choosing, another direction. The last time this happened the people chose fascism.

It always comes down to Morlocks vs. Eloy. The workers always end up being the tool used to eat the Eloy, or end up being the Eloy themselves when the Morlocks get hungry enough.