The Black Vault

I don't think Americans realize just how big the debt conspiracy really is. The US debt is soon to rise past 13 Trillion dollars. That is $130,000 per tax payer (because only 1/3 of the population pays taxes). And YOU, the taxpayer, owe this amount, and you're going to pay it. And, you're paying interest on it as well. In order to pay it off in 10 years you would have to pay an EXTRA $16,400 per year in taxes (given a 4.5% interest rate). That's $1,370 per month for the math challenged. Do you have that much money?

That is $10,000 per year to pay it off in 20 years. And this is all on top of the taxes you are paying now, AND, it assumes that the new taxes you will be paying are actually going to be spent paying off this debt, but history has shown that the US government will do no such thing. They will simply keep on spending. Americans could be effectively bankrupted for a century.

13 Trillion dollars is serious money, civilization collapse money. And the conspirators are not done yet. They now want to bail out Europe. With that much money being spent somebody is making a killing, and you're gonna be the one on your knees with a brush and a pail.

I don't think Americans have any clue that their future has been F-ed in the A.

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/1661/calendar/10201634/

The fact of the matter is that I can only own one thing, that is myself. I can't own property, I have to ask permission (through taxes) to kill a duck for food...etc....I can't own a car...I have to ask permission.

I myself draw the line in the sand...I OWN MY OWN BODY! I don't vaccinate my cats or myself. I own me! That is all I am allowed to own. Now these idiots are attempting to take that away. BS!.

What happens if you own your own pond? You have to ask "permission" to fish the same fish you planted...go figure.

I DO NOT CONSENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, when is the old site going to be archived?

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I understand your feelings. Governments only want to control everyone. And one of the biggest ways they do that is by denying citizens access to raw materials (nature). Property rights are the first thing to go in any socialist system. You deny people the ability to benefit from their own labor and therefore they labor less. People produce less => Companies produce less => There is less for everyone => World gets poorer. Bureaucrats are fine with that. They don't make money producing anything. The more poor people there are, the more that need government.

The old site is still around?

Ugh! I have to agree

I myself draw the line in the sand...I OWN MY OWN BODY!

Not really! When you are born, you get a birth certificate, and you become a natural born citizen, and for Mom and Dad to deduct you, you get a brand new Social Security Number now. They take your little finger and toe prints on the first day, and turn you over to Mom and Dad to care for you until you are of legal age. At that time when you turn 18, boys get to have another number called a selective service number, thankfully now only "just in case", but not in my day. I asked them if I could have another number, and they said yes, no problem, so got one where the USMC, owned me totally of 6 years. After which, I was allowed to go back to my SS#, work for 40 years and pay my annual dues on April 15. They definatly own you that entire 40 years, with a annual renewal contract. During those 40 years you need yet another number that allows you to goto the place of make the money for your annual dues. That number has a great deal that I agreed to give any of my body parts, if needed. At least, they let me be dead first, pretty nice of them, if I do say so. I don't have to goto that place anymore, and now my social security number works the other direction, now they want to give back what I gave them, with the agreement my annual dues are still paid on April 15th. I'll get to have another number in a few years, called Medicare, but I don't have that one figured out yet. Obama says he can decide if I should live or die with that number. Sounds a little unfair to me.

So far, it doesn't feel like someone hasn;t owned my body, so I doubt if doing something that may result in me getting sick would help, like not getting shots. Besides I;ve had them all, and the USMC doesn;t give you a real choice, and I'm not dead from them. Someday you will get to the end, and when your body is yours forever, you think. Afraid not, because you get to have a death certificate, which tells SS# they win, you are gone, so they call the IRS to be sure you pay your annual dues, one last time the next April 15th. Still think you own you body now, but afraid that is not true. Your remains are documented, and your place of rest becomes and resides in the courts forever. They own you now. You can;t be buried without documentation which is permission, nor your ashes disposed of without documentation and permission where they will go.

From the cradle to the grave, your body is owned and operated by the government.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-a ... to-america

Yeah, I love listening to an Indian and a Mexican arguing which is more third world, the US or China. What comes around, goes around. I do like the idea of Americans making their own cheap, plastic crap though. But that will put Wal-Mart out of business, FINALLY!

India and China don't want the "crappy jobs", so relocate them to the US and have the Mexicans, Indians and Asians do them.

total agreement CodeBlack

Federal government spending IS the biggest concern and issue that tea party members and other patriotic organizations have with the new administration and other pro-increase spending members of Congress. From a conspiracy point of view, imo, if one wanted to fundamentally transform a country, hard pressed would you be to find a quicker/surer way to do it than the collapse of it's financial system. Believing not that those in the current administration are in any way dull, i think those that continue to advocate more spending most surely understand the stakes and continue on this path for a reason.

Here is a site with a graph of U.S. debt.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_ ... chart.html

Notice how projections for the next 2 years put it at OVER 100% by 2012. Oweing more than you produce is unsustainable. It was accomplished for 3 years after WWII because of the great capacity America possessed then for manufacturing as a result of the war. What will America produce now to counterbalance and pay back the mountain of debt we currently have?

Agreement with your post also greeney2. It gives greater insight as to why Christians are living off the grid that Sandra posted about in Religious section. Sounds similar to the Amish.

Try this for a fright: Debt Clock
Americans are screwed for the next century. CENTURY!
40 million on food stamps out of 80 million households. Not sustainable.
Total liability per citizen: $352,125
Total liability per tax payer: $988,165, before interest
US unfunded liabilities: almost $109 trillion. That is an ungodly amount of money!

Just as an example, say your income was $50,000 / year, and you had credit card debt of $5,000,000. That's what you're looking at. The big government liberals have enslaved you for the rest of your natural life.

A side benefit of being off the grid is that you spend less.

I forgot to mention, do you know how many non-American companies are drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico (not counting BP)? A bunch, some of them enemies of the US. Brilliant move, give away the one thing that could save the country. Meanwhile, the oil spill is ruining the entire South's economy, kind of like the Civil War. California and other states may be close to bankruptcy. Infrastructure throughout the country is broken down. People migrating all over the place trying to find a place to live that isn't completely screwed up by liberals. And we have incompetent boobs running the country.