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As the 2012 election is now over, Barack Obama has won a second term. Many wonder how his policies, his administration, and how the entire political arena, will change our future.

Postby Aquatank » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:20 am

As I get older I'm slowly coming to the realization that an "Economy" is actually a bad thing, for purposes of the post I shall refer to this as Todays Economy/Economies Today and so forth. That is not to say that an economy should not exist, but that how it is today (percieved and acted upon worked in) is bad for everything. Economies Today depend on ever increasing amounts of output, which in turn rely on reducing supplies of raw materials. Economies Today aren't designed to soley meet the needs of the people, but are predominantly there to create and fullfill wants for people so that the provider can recieve power through gain, they are based on selling people things they don't need. As a result people have ended up entangled into a system they don't truly need, and because money generated in Todays Economies is needed to pay property taxes, exchange goods and services they become slaves to Todays Economy.

To free ourselves from this system we must abandon the system in favor of individual self sufficiency that is intigrated into a mutual collective group support system of an individual's community. There will still be money as unit of exchange but the accumulation of it should never again be a priority or necessity as it is in Todays Economy. Instead static or conservationist growth of economy should replace constant progressives gain of Todays Economy. Instead of a constant influx of new raw materials we should look towards renewable and recyclable materials and system to support a new way of life. Nations should not be governments but extensions of the mutual collective group support systems of communities, they should be the people not above the people. All this extra tech is just wastefull wants and addictions we have willingly enslaved ourselves to and leash our children to. I'm not advocating anarchy or lack of government, but I am advocating that working for government is voluntary and non paid with no power to be gained from it. That the government only collect such taxes as it needs to provide healthcare education infrastructure and safety services instead of spending in ordinate amounts on war and supporting Todays Economy. If there were the fundamental change in the system to the self sufficiency I have described then there probably would not be a need for militaries and wars because there would be less wants that Todays Economies cause through commercialization. But as I have said we have willing put this metal collar around our necks, but we don't have to put it around our childrens, we can change our life styles so theirs becomes but tethers and their childrens become but strings, and theirs become but ethereal fibers and freedom shall ring.
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Postby gudskepteacal » Mon May 03, 2010 9:09 pm

Very good post Aquatank. Agreement with individual self sufficiency being key to stepping out of the cycle.
Too many, including myself, have unfortunately grown accustomed to substituting things/possessions for accomplishments/creativity.
When you explain it like that, it does all seem interconnected; exactly like a matrix.
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Postby Aquatank » Tue May 04, 2010 7:27 am

The problem with what I have described though has a deep flaw, and that is our wants & desires and that that they can be manipulated & created by others (advertisements & such). That being said humanity needs to learn to control their wants better. What does one really want and what is just going to end up up in the trash, garage sale, or given to charity. In otherwords what do we we want that will stay cherished longest instead of a few years or months. What will we be most sentimental about or feel a need to hold onto. Somethings may be childhood toys or a family car or perhaps a simple photo of a loved one, each person is different each want is different. So our problem becomes one of frugality and learning not to succumb to mementary desires and manipulated by advertisements.

I for one have gotten to the point where most of the wants I buy are meant to be given to my family for generations after me, so they don't have to get them, even though I don't know if they will want them or not.
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Postby BloodStone » Tue May 04, 2010 10:56 am

I for one have gotten to the point where most of the wants I buy are meant to be given to my family for generations after me, so they don't have to get them, even though I don't know if they will want them or not.


I came to this realization a few years ago, I was out camping up on my property. I was alone for the four days, and did a lot of thinking about this.

I realized that I didn't really need money anymore, or material things to make me happy.I have been killing myself working for stuff I thought I needed. I paid down my debt, I only have a mortgage to pay for right now. I'm looking to sell once the market comes back up a little bit,if it doesn't no big deal, and take what I have left and disappear.

I will be looking to leave my job in 3 years, I will be 45 , and I will be happy to live off the land for my remaining years . I will grow my own food, and just live the way we were meant to live. No more of this material crap that no one needs.They just think they do.

I have 35 acres that I am getting set up to do this. I should be where I need to be in three years. :mrgreen: Happy



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Postby Aquatank » Wed May 05, 2010 6:17 am

Just remember to pay those property taxes, it seems to be one thread that binds us to Todays Economy. It seems to work either Income Tax or Property Tax or both.
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Postby BloodStone » Thu May 06, 2010 6:45 am

Just remember to pay those property taxes
400.00 a year, I can live with that compared to 4000.00 a year.

also setting up my own energy sources, so I'll be completely off the grid. :mrgreen:






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Postby Aquatank » Thu May 06, 2010 1:56 pm

I understand that but I was offering that advice as a caution a bunch of home confiscations and sold off by the government for very little in a nearby city a few years back were caused by a failure to pay the property tax. Some homes were sometimes sold for as little as $2000.
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Postby BloodStone » Fri May 07, 2010 4:54 am

Yes Aqua,

property taxes trump, any other liens on the house. So if you owe a mortgage company 200,000.00 dollars , and you are overdue for you're property tax payment of 200.00 , They can seize the property, and someone can buy it back for the price of delinquint taxes.

great gig if you can get it. I have bought a few properties this way when the market was still pretty good. I then resold them for a quick profit.

I also bought my 35 acres in upstate New York the same way, I paid less than 10,000.00 for that property.All because someone didn't pay their taxes. :mrgreen:

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Postby Aquatank » Fri May 07, 2010 8:04 am

Bloodstone: Offtopic, upstate NY, have you been to the castle up on the lake? I haven't been able to visit yet and I was wondering if its worth going. Is it comparabe to Peles in your opinion?
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Postby BloodStone » Fri May 07, 2010 10:36 am

I've been to the one's on the border, St Lawrence river. They have that massive one there from the guy who created Singer sewing machines.

We took a night time boat tour on the St. Lawrence river to all the old castles, on the islands of 1000 island region. It was amazing.

Not sure if those are the one's you're talking about. Haven't heard of one on the lake ?




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