The Black Vault

Nesaie wrote: Don't get me wrong, I still drink.

yes..im well aware of that fact

i drink..theres no shame with that..

chiselray wrote:

Nesaie wrote:

chiselray wrote:

i also would rather get hammered than use dope....dope can cause depression,numbness,slow behaviour and cancer...my mate smokes it,he is off his head now and again..he really is ok without it...but when he s high he dribbles hsit ,is lazy ect ect

Do you have links to the studies that show this? I'd be interested in reading them. I'm especially interested in the claim about depression.

I have read about direct links between alcohol and diseases. Don't get me wrong, I still drink. But, I also know what diseases I can get from making that choice. My old roommate was a pathologist and would get drunk and tell me which organs alcohol affected and the diseases it creates. It all goes back to choice. I believe the facts should be readily available to all so that each individual can make what ever choice they choose.

Waiting for your links to back your claims. Thanks in advance.

Papers /studies ? is that all you believe in though ?

No. I wanted to read them.

So, admit it, you were speaking out of your arse. You have nothing to back your claims. I knew it.

In the end, marijuana has more benefit than detriment, and you and "your ilk" can't disprove that claim. I can back my claims and I do back my claims. I dare you to bring it on. You can't, that is why you attack me.

chiselray wrote:

Nesaie wrote: Don't get me wrong, I still drink.

yes..im well aware of that fact

That's my choice, and am well aware of the cost.

But, at least I know how to spell.

We're talking about pot here. Back your claims...if you can. I dare you. I double dawg dare you.

((you can't ... but try anyway)

Nesaie wrote:
So, admit it, you were speaking out of your arse. You have nothing to back your claims. I knew it.

In the end, marijuana has more benefit than detriment, and you and "your ilk" can't disprove that claim. I can back my claims and I do back my claims. I dare you to bring it on. You can't, that is why you attack me.

nes..

no ,if i am you are speaking out of your ass as well,the only difference is i am aware i might be wrong
you have no proof of anything.yet you claim i speak from from ass..what the world should be aware of is intuition instead of blind faith in what they read..
You have proven nothing ,you have not unproven my claims however...dope has no benefit,only your people claim this....be a thinker ..not a clone..

Nesaie wrote:

chiselray wrote:

Nesaie wrote: Don't get me wrong, I still drink.

yes..im well aware of that fact

That's my choice, and am well aware of the cost.

But, at least I know how to spell.

We're talking about pot here. Back your claims...if you can. I dare you. I double dawg dare you.

((you can't ... but try anyway)

yes i see you use SPELL CHECK..SO what
Anything you type is corrected by your browser ..so what ? you think your cleverer than i am maybe ?

The problem with ness is she has too much faith in what she isnt...she hell no is a good media on health...she certainly isnt an expert on grammar,and she isnt a doyen on anthropology..so the game is down to individual honesty and debate on all areas..The game is a word i use for a challenge of the see able truths ,not a game of unauthenticated hearsay

I think she needs a thicker skin...but she says the one she has is thicker than steel ,maybe we need an upgrade.To depleted Uranium plate..

I can take a picture of some black s**t my buddy hacks up every morning after smoking a nice bowl, Nes.

Does that count as proof?

Never seen anyone cough up black s**t....


I'd be getting that checked out.

Anyway, yes smoking marijuana causes a build up of tar in your lungs.


As for it permanently impairing memory:

Marijuana produces immediate, temporary changes in thoughts, perceptions, and information processing. The cognitive process most clearly affected by marijuana is short-term memory. In laboratory studies, subjects under the influence of marijuana have no trouble remembering things they learned previously. However, they display diminished capacity to learn and recall new information. This diminishment only lasts for the duration of the intoxication. There is no convincing evidence that heavy long-term marijuana use permanently impairs memory or other cognitive functions.

And for other brain function:

None of the medical tests currently used to detect brain damage in humans have found harm from marijuana, even from long term high-dose use. An early study reported brain damage in rhesus monkeys after six months exposure to high concentrations of marijuana smoke. In a recent, more carefully conducted study, researchers found no evidence of brain abnormality in monkeys that were forced to inhale the equivalent of four to five marijuana cigarettes every day for a year. The claim that marijuana kills brain cells is based on a speculative report dating back a quarter of a century that has never been supported by any scientific study.

For Scientific evidence it's harmful:

In 1972, after reviewing the scientific evidence, the National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse concluded that while marijuana was not entirely safe, its dangers had been grossly overstated. Since then, researchers have conducted thousands of studies of humans, animals, and cell cultures. None reveal any findings dramatically different from those described by the National Commission in 1972. In 1995, based on thirty years of scientific research editors of the British medical journal Lancet concluded that "the smoking of cannabis, even long term, is not harmful to health."

And this one is specifically for you Chisel, regarding the fact that it does in fact have medical value!

Marijuana has been shown to be effective in reducing the nausea induced by cancer chemotherapy, stimulating appetite in AIDS patients, and reducing intraocular pressure in people with glaucoma. There is also appreciable evidence that marijuana reduces muscle spasticity in patients with neurological disorders. A synthetic capsule is available by prescription, but it is not as effective as smoked marijuana for many patients. Pure THC may also produce more unpleasant psychoactive side effects than smoked marijuana.

I would also like you to note that there was a study that indicated that if you smoke tobacco and marijuana (as opposed to just tobacco) you had a 4% decrease in the odds of getting cancer.

You'll find a lot of reports that have no evidence that marijuana has the capacity to cause cancer, but make it sound like they think it does. Well that's true. There is absolutely no evidence to say that marijauna can cause cancer. And there are a lot of people, scientists included that, for whatever reason, believe that it can.

Now if you look for tobacco, there are numerous cases of people using only tobacco and getting cancer, why is it not that case that marijuana users have a lot of lung cancer (or any other cancer for that matter) patients? Hmmm??? I wonder.

So... Just based on the last two paragraphs I'd say I'm fairly safe in the assumption (lol) that marijuana has no outstanding physical or long lasting, psychosis, lung cancer bullshit associated with it's use.


Look up Alcohol. One of those things that turns out not to be such a good thing for you if you use it more then rarely.