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Postby sheye » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:56 pm

Came across this very interesting interview researching the illuminati. It is rather lengthy,but very interesting info on the so called "spiritual enlightenment" that these luciferians bloodlines believe.

This character called the "hidden hand" is interviewed before the election and clearly states that Obama would win,and the plans that are unfolding for the "great harvest".

It was very creepy to me....the whole sort of evil is for good concept..especially when he/she talks about the "great harvest"

This character says 911 was a luciferian sacrifice, along with other crazy stuff.

here is the link

http://www.illuminati-news.com/00363.html
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Postby sandra » Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:19 am

Below is a quote from the person you are talking about, "hidden hands".

Your Creator, the one you have called 'Yahweh', is not "God" inasmuch as your bible refers to him as being "the One True God". He is 'a' Creator (or Sub-Sub-Logos) rather than the One Infinite Creator. He is not even a Galactic level Logos, but rather, is the Planetary Logos for this one planet.


For one, earth is where its at. Towards the end of his message, he states he has said too much, things he wish he had not. The above quote is exactly what he meant. At the end he states he will now have to go create things negative to make up for all the positive.- He did not have that opportunity, Jesus knew what he was saying and had been saying for a long long time, and dropped kicked his ***. :lol: Jesus knows very well the importance of Earth on a Galactic level, much more than what this man is imagining. This man states "he is not even a Galactic level Logos"- that was wishful thinking. Not eeeeeeven.

Sorry sheye, that garble does not resemble my own thoughts.
To discern the differences is very easy to myself, for another person, it would take knowing my minds stretch of some of those fundamental ideas, which you do not obviously. Its like taking several Christians that believe in the Bible and Jesus, each one of them will have their own translation even of the most known bible verses. This man speaks of beliefs more uncommon, but ones I am very aware of, and translate very differently.

And do I have anything to do with the Illuminati? :lol:

P.S. you know why they call him "hidden hands"? Because he is part of something that was meddeling with Jesus's creation, and when Jesus knew, lilke I said, he dropped kicked his ***, something this entity clearly feared; transformation. The polarities this man was talking about -and goes on and on about, was the work of those hidden hands, designed to have people on earth thinking they were doomed by polorization of good and evil natures. That we along with Jesus are restricted to mere dimensions of this plane.....sorry sheye, Im of no similarity to this person. None what so ever, but good try.
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Postby sheye » Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:21 pm

Jesus knew what he was saying and had been saying for a long long time, and dropped kicked his ***.


This is the very first time I've ever read you mention the name of Jesus.
And how ould you know that Jesus dropped kicked his ass?

Was it not you that Sandra that was saying how evil was in my imagination....that we are all one. I clearly remember Mr H having a go at you for that.

Don't have the time to read through all the posts you've made,and i think that thread might have been deleted, if anyone knows where it is please let me know.(been looking for it)

For someone who has never mentioned the name of jesus since I've been here..but has definately told me that evil was in my imagination..and we are all one...you sounded very much like him.

Going to go through all of your posts when I have the time to prove my point. Unfortuneatly I lack the skills and speed in copy and paste especially with multiple quotes involved,but i will do my best. :D
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Postby sheye » Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:05 pm

Ive come to start learning that when my life feels like its falling apart, I'm only shedding another layer of my ego driven 'self service mode'. This sounds so simple, but to maintain this thought process is evergoing, when I am in service to others and creation, my life is good, but it is easy to fall out of and start living only for myself.


humphreys wrote:
sandra wrote:
Goodness and love are all part of God, and I will refrain from the rest.


What about evil, and pain, and suffering?


They are a figment of your imagination that can and will be changed due to the movement of other peoples conscious will, however, be patient.


You're response to the Mr H's question is what I was referring to...and it reminded me of what hidden hand said.

Edited this post to add the other quote

Everything is one. And Everything Changes.


I honestly could not understand why you would say those things sandra,and they all seemed to be things that Hidden hand said in his interview but in different words.

I never realized you were a "christian"..and maybe you are not..but in my mind anyone who can say evil is a figment of imagination is alittle out there spiritually to me.

You have also told me I'm OBSESSED with dark and evil things, because I dare to try and expose the evil that does exist. Thank goodness they are people who tirelessy work to fight this evil (child porn,sexual slavery).
I only wish I was younger because I would do my best to try and join the forces who work against these kind of crimes...no matter how obsessed people thought I was about it.
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Postby sheye » Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:32 pm

By the way sandra I never said you were part of the illuminati, just that reading this interview set off warning flags in my mind...and a few of the things he/she said reminded me of the things you said in the above quotes. Thats it,nothing more nothing less.
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Postby sandra » Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:56 pm

Oh for petes sake sheye give me break. :roll:
If you had not seen one prior message of me referencing jesus, you are more clueless than I thought. Seriously, cmon now sheye, you were even in these threads.

I'll help ya out with a few.

sandra wrote:I don't mind seeing the cross as a symbol of death, not at all. Jesus 'died' on the cross, and death is always rebirth in my eyes. Ive always thought when Jesus died on the cross his consciousness burst into life like THE BIG BANG lol He gave not an inch to any other will besides god, and I believe jesus knew exactly what was happneing.

http://community.theblackvault.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2560&p=40456#p40456

sandra wrote:And doesnt it seem so easy, yet it is the easiest thing to forget lol We are always in control of our perception and its relation to the truth. If jesus died for our sins, then how come we are suffering? What IS suffering and where does it stand in context with the truth, I like to remember the saying 'and deliver me from evil'.....from my own evil. Everything that is outside of ourselves can be seen inwards first. There are soo many basic things I contemplate but the dynamics of them appear endless, or always growing and changing...as i do.


http://community.theblackvault.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2577&p=40707#p40707

sandra wrote:My mothers side of my family is catholic and I was babtised catholic. My grandmother would have my head on silver platter Christmas eve. They would rather I told them I was a Lesbian...thank god I wont be telling them either


http://community.theblackvault.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2623&p=41145#p41145

sandra wrote:After reading something like this I find myself disproving or evaluating myself, not so much any outside source. Many things in the bible can be learned with never touching the book. We ourselves are the best 100% source. If you look further into the book, a course in miracles, you will find some interesting chapters, that will literally transform you....to some extent. There are good tools out there to help us on our way, thats how I look at it. I'm not soo much objective, but rather apply things to myself and how they affect my life and how I choose to use them, other peoples intent and reasoning are not my own. The bible does have truth in my life. Many people say they do believe in the bible, yet I don't see them understanding much truthfully


http://community.theblackvault.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2706&p=42057#p42057

sheye wrote:I will look this book up. Curious as to who the author is. Thankyou for sharing.
You did not look that author up sheye- Author states JESUS.

sandra wrote:I did not miss the fluffin point HUMPHREYS, and you basically just repeated what I said. Nor did I think you did not know what a babtism is by church. MY POINT to get into heaven or not, would not depend soley on a tool of the mind, and a mind is nothing without divine love behind it. Here I'll translate that for you : Some people who are baptised would be accepted by God the same as someone who was not. A persons reasoning behind anything can change everything. However if you believe real baptism has absolutely nothing to do with the church alone, you would have known this.

http://community.theblackvault.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2898&start=130


sandra wrote:I'm Native American and a Catholic, there is nothing I can change about that and frankly I love myself for who I am, but my entire life I have been subject to ridicule by some of my Catholic Family for participating in both cultures. That is ignorance to me. People could even view me as New Age, well I don't have any problem with that here is why:

A Christian claiming New Age is the work of the Devil
Is no Different than:
An Atheist (New Age) claiming Christians are immoral.

Without a superior attitude- I stand outside this. I've stated my beliefs about Atheism- as far as I believe they are believers in God. One thing people haven't heard me talk about, is my acceptance of them. I do not believe God blames them. There is one thing God wants from us, and it is not mere worship. It is to know ourselves. To know who we are, and live truthfully and honestly with love. I believe many Atheists are doing much better getting to know themselves in a truthful manner than many fundamentalists. Atheism serves a purpose. If getting to know themselves in the best way they know how is to reject Christianity and world organised religion or the thought that they believe in God then that is the road that they must take. However, I believe all organised belief systems will be falling apart, they are meant to in the light of the truth. They will no longer be needed. In the face of natural disasters, and just world changing events, these differences will gradually unveil the truth, that we are all not so different after all. That under every rock, he can be found.

We are all doing what we can right now, and that is the most important thing to remember.


sheye the references to my Christian beliefs are everywhere. Thats enough of an example but I could go on.

The specific one you were looking for:

sandra wrote:3) Goodness and evil are both imaginary. Before you shred this apart, do your best to see it without judgement.

Everything is one, and everything changes. Again, I will add, how do you think we come to know many things? There are people that know exactly how. And there are people that birth new thoughts and are aware of how they will come to fruition. How and when they will come to the collective mind in a more 'common knowledge'.

"because I believe the more our own creations live and grow, the more we learn about being a creator, and in return the more we can create."

Do you not believe imagination has anything to do with creation?


http://community.theblackvault.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2898&start=170
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Postby sandra » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:21 pm

sheye wrote:You have also told me I'm OBSESSED with dark and evil things, because I dare to try and expose the evil that does exist. Thank goodness they are people who tirelessy work to fight this evil (child porn,sexual slavery).
I only wish I was younger because I would do my best to try and join the forces who work against these kind of crimes...no matter how obsessed people thought I was about it.


Truly I felt those concerns and research could become a very negative thing in your life from the moment of reading your dream and then realising how much you focused on the subject. It seems like they are constantly on your mind.

To change things like sexual abuse we have to change the minds of those men or women who committ such crimes, the thought processes in which those things exist, mark my words, it is the only way. How do we do that? Shed light on the truth of why they happen. Is this easy, NO.

Do I think you care about these people, yes I do.
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Postby sandra » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:26 pm

sheye wrote:By the way sandra I never said you were part of the illuminati, just that reading this interview set off warning flags in my mind...and a few of the things he/she said reminded me of the things you said in the above quotes. Thats it,nothing more nothing less.


In all honesty he is closer to a polar opposite than anything, again, it is because some of the fundamental common beliefs are there, the length and details of specific beliefs are VERY different. This guys doesn't even understand some of the basic concepts of dimensional truth that I do- One being that we are multidimensional beings.

Really I could go through that entire article, quote each section of his, and point very clear differences.

However its easy to understand why you would see similarity, especially if you have never even seen me reference Jesus.
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Postby sheye » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:30 pm

Truly I felt those concerns and research could become a very negative thing in your life from the moment of reading your dream and then realising how much you focused on the subject. It seems like they are constantly on your mind.


Oddly enough I had that dream,both of them actually long before I realized what a real problem it was in this world.(which makes me sometimes think something,or someone was trying to tell me something)

The problem of child porn,and sexual slavery is HUGE,and continues to perpetuate itself,and yes I am very concerned about it.

By the way....you didn't really explain the statement you made that evil was just in our imagination....which is basically why i refered to you in the thread.
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Postby sheye » Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:37 pm

However its easy to understand why you would see similarity, especially if you have never even seen me reference Jesus.


Like I said before you're reference to jesus has always seemed to be wrapped in new age type theories..and i have seen many deeply into the occult refer to jesus very often.

Think the bible even mentions something about many calling his name..even doing miracles n his name...but they do not know him.

That part seems very obviously true as I look at many christian churches.

I guess it just seems to me like you think of yourself as some "enlightened" soul...and quite frankly anyone who says evil is a figment of imagination doesn't seem to be too 'enlightened" to me.
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