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Postby Guest » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:21 pm

Henry McDonald, Ireland correspondent
guardian.co.uk, Friday 1 January 2010 16.49 GMT

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Secular campaigners in the Irish Republic defied a strict new blasphemy law which came into force today by publishing a series of anti-religious quotations online and promising to fight the legislation in court.

The new law, which was passed in July, means that blasphemy in Ireland is now a crime punishable with a fine of up to €25,000 (£22,000).

It defines blasphemy as "publishing or uttering matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters sacred by any religion, thereby intentionally causing outrage among a substantial number of adherents of that religion, with some defences permitted".

The justice minister, Dermot Ahern, said that the law was necessary because while immigration had brought a growing diversity of religious faiths, the 1936 constitution extended the protection of belief only to Christians.

But Atheist Ireland, a group that claims to represent the rights of atheists, responded to the new law by publishing 25 anti-religious quotations on its website, from figures including Richard Dawkins, Björk, Frank Zappa and the former Observer editor and Irish ex-minister Conor Cruise O'Brien.

Michael Nugent, the group's chair, said that it would challenge the law through the courts if it were charged with blasphemy.

Nugent said: "This new law is both silly and dangerous. It is silly because medieval religious laws have no place in a modern secular republic, where the criminal law should protect people and not ideas. And it is dangerous because it incentives religious outrage, and because Islamic states led by Pakistan are already using the wording of this Irish law to promote new blasphemy laws at UN level.

"We believe in the golden rule: that we have a right to be treated justly, and that we have a responsibility to treat other people justly. Blasphemy laws are unjust: they silence people in order to protect ideas. In a civilised society, people have a right to express and to hear ideas about religion even if other people find those ideas to be outrageous."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ja ... sphemy-law
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Postby mrshumphreys » Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:33 pm

I guess nobody else is going to bite.


I have to whole-heartedly agree with Michael Nugent's quote, though.

"This new law is both silly and dangerous. It is silly because medieval religious laws have no place in a modern secular republic, where the criminal law should protect people and not ideas. And it is dangerous because it incentives religious outrage, and because Islamic states led by Pakistan are already using the wording of this Irish law to promote new blasphemy laws at UN level.

"We believe in the golden rule: that we have a right to be treated justly, and that we have a responsibility to treat other people justly. Blasphemy laws are unjust: they silence people in order to protect ideas. In a civilised society, people have a right to express and to hear ideas about religion even if other people find those ideas to be outrageous."
"It's like arguing with a brick wall, except the brick wall thinks you're an idiot, and thinks it's winning." - Humphreys, that sexy beast.

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Postby sheye » Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:04 pm

"We believe in the golden rule: that we have a right to be treated justly, and that we have a responsibility to treat other people justly. Blasphemy laws are unjust: they silence people in order to protect ideas. In a civilised society, people have a right to express and to hear ideas about religion even if other people find those ideas to be outrageous."


I don't believe blasphemy laws silence people in order to protect ideas.
Blasphemy is defined as a contemptuous or profane act aimed at or concerning a sacred diety. How is that following the golden rule of treating others justly?

Poking fun at religious concepts and dieties is one thing,being honest why you disagree is another, but I for one have personally seen blasphemy so intense in its profanity and contempt that it could be hardly be called anything close to being just. The motivation behind much of it is not based on the desire to to express their ideas about religions they may not agree with ,but to mock it in such a disgusting way as to seriously offend. I find nothing just in that.
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Postby greeney2 » Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:30 pm

If you applied those Blasphamy laws to some of the things people have said on our message board, all our posters would be in Irish prisons. :lol: Actually that would probably not be far fetched, becasue we have had some very blasphamous things said, in many discussions here. That should make you appreciate your freedom of speech, if even free countries like Ireland, would pass a law you would expect in oppressive counties.
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