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Postby sheye » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:54 am

Was hoping I could get some good feedback on this topic here. Have been reading alot about the illuminati,their origins,and their plans. One source of information in particular was from a woman born into the multigenerational bloodlines of the germanic branch of the illuminati,who decided to leave this organization despite death threats from her mother and other family members. She mentions in her story that no one becomes president unless they have been groomed by the illuminati, or can be used by the illuminati to further their intentions. I don't know if anyone was watching the body language of the 5 past presidents when they were taking the photo in the oval office after Obamas victory. First of all Bush Sr was first in the lineup??...and the way Obama seem to almost revere him like he was around some big guru, sickened me. It seemed obvious to me then which bloodlines were still very much in control of all the smoke and mirror tactics of the illuminati under the jurisdictions of government.
I'm sure many of you have read up on the illuminati,and if anyone has any links to share I would welcome them. The best one I have found so far is from the german woman above. She gives a first hand eye witness acount of what she did as a programmer,the rituals she had to particpate in as a child deep in the secret tombs of the vatican (child sacrifice,and blood drinking).She explains much about the origins of the illuminati (weishapt was just a figure head used to write down what had originated with the knights templar)
Her links are included in a huge site that also covers the alien theories,but she herself does not buy into the alien theories and believes the "shapeshifting" she saw in some of the spiritual ritualistic ceremonies was cause by exreme drug use..or "dark spiritual forces" All the links under "Interview with an ex illuminati programmer" are very informative and based on fact from an insider at a medium level of this Germanic branch. She grew up in Virginia,and moved to San Diego to train and program for the illuminati. This is a very honest confession of someone who has dared to speak out,and when written back in the late 90's fortold of the illuminati plan to cause a huge finincial meltdown. Here is the link
http://www.biblotecapleyades.net/sociap ... ali01b.htm

or google "Interview with ex illuminati programmer"

Thanks for any feedback
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Postby sheye » Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:31 am

For some reason whenever I try to to give out that link...it always comes up different than how I type it in..won't copy and paste either?? Please google " Interview with an ex illuminati programmer".Somebody doesn't want people reading this.which is all the more reason to at least read it and file it in the library of your mind.
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Postby greeney2 » Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:03 pm

Try this

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... /svali.htm

She gives a first hand eye witness acount of what she did as a programmer,the rituals she had to particpate in as a child deep in the secret tombs of the vatican (child sacrifice,and blood drinking).


In the section about rutuals she talks about animal sacrifice over a child, and claim to have seen actual "rare" occurances of real child sacrifice, but only 2 or 3 of them. There was no mention whatsoever these were in secret tombs of the Vatican. You are adding that into what is written on part nine. First, if any of this is true, nobody would be saying they were present at any of them since it would be confessing to accessory to 3 murders, and if they did would not be scratching their heads, was it 2 of them, or 3 of them. You would know without a doubt you either saw 2 sacrifices or without a doubt you saw 3 sacrifices in your life. This makes it totally lacking any crediblity confusion between 2 or 3.

From part nine:
Sacrifices are also done on high holy days. I have seen an animal "psychically killed" in front of me, and have no way to explain what I saw. I have also seen human sacrifice, but these were very rare (I believe I have seen two or three real ones in my life, the rest were set-ups).


You stated on the Pope thread you thought he was involved in the Illuminiti, and on this post claim this is one of your primary sourses, but this link is dated 2000 and 2001, during the time of Pope John Paul, not the current Pope. You will also notice this person in the link is selling a book. Tom Hanks movies do not represent the truth of the dark stories of the Catholic Church. What I did read from your link, I found nothing mentioning the Catholic Church.
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Postby sheye » Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:39 pm

greeney2 wrote:Try this

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... /svali.htm

She gives a first hand eye witness acount of what she did as a programmer,the rituals she had to particpate in as a child deep in the secret tombs of the vatican (child sacrifice,and blood drinking).


In the section about rutuals she talks about animal sacrifice over a child, and claim to have seen actual "rare" occurances of real child sacrifice, but only 2 or 3 of them. There was no mention whatsoever these were in secret tombs of the Vatican. You are adding that into what is written on part nine. First, if any of this is true, nobody would be saying they were present at any of them since it would be confessing to accessory to 3 murders, and if they did would not be scratching their heads, was it 2 of them, or 3 of them. You would know without a doubt you either saw 2 sacrifices or without a doubt you saw 3 sacrifices in your life. This makes it totally lacking any crediblity confusion between 2 or 3.

From part nine:
Sacrifices are also done on high holy days. I have seen an animal "psychically killed" in front of me, and have no way to explain what I saw. I have also seen human sacrifice, but these were very rare (I believe I have seen two or three real ones in my life, the rest were set-ups).


You stated on the Pope thread you thought he was involved in the Illuminiti, and on this post claim this is one of your primary sourses, but this link is dated 2000 and 2001, during the time of Pope John Paul, not the current Pope. You will also notice this person in the link is selling a book. Tom Hanks movies do not represent the truth of the dark stories of the Catholic Church. What I did read from your link, I found nothing mentioning the Catholic Church.


My apologies...its in the link deep "within the bowels of the vatican" which is under a diff page on the bibliotec site..if you search for it it is there..and it is svali's account of being flown to germany first,then transported to the vatican (secret chambers) for this special intiation ritual.
Also if you've ever heard of Greg Szyminski who was a former reporter for the vatican(did 1000's of hours of research on the jesuits as well),he once had a radio show where they interviewed this svali woman.and she talked about it there as well. Greg also interviewed an Italian woman from the illuminati bloodines,and she broke down and told him about the ritual in the scret chamber of St peters as well. He even went down to look for them but was quickly escorted out by security. If you google greg szyminski, look for any arcticles or links titled "deep within the bowels of the vatican"..As well you will find it in the biblotec site as well..make sure to click the red links at the bottom of the pages..you might have missed on the ex illuminat programmer links..but I know for a fact I've seen it on bibliotec site as well as greg szyminski interviews. The Italian woman allegedly threw herself off the rooftop of St. Peters (questionable ,esp after you read his interview),and the German woman from the US has mysteriously not been heard of for awhile. Hopefully in deep hiding.Also if you read the link where she clearly states she was a teacher for a "private" catholic school,and a few of the people she did training and programming with at the military camps at night were also teachers there.Very wealthy families in this illuminati. She also does state that most catholics ,freemasons are not part of this conspiracy,and are generally good humans with good intent, it is in the upper echelons that hold the power in these organizations where the true corruption,deceptions,greed and perversions are planned and implemented. Have you ever hear of the "black pope"? A high ranking jesuit who is said to control many decisions from the vatican.
Really hope you find the link...svali does talk about it..its there.. "deep within the bowels of the vatican"
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Postby rath » Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:04 pm

The Illuminati is FAKE.

As are the Freemasons, skull & Bones & all other so called secret society's.

The House of Grimaldi. - FAKE

The "Black Nobility" - FAKE

The "Black Nobility"

House of Bernadotte, Sweden
House of Bourbon, France
House of Braganza, Portugal
House of Grimaldi, Monaco
House of Guelph, Britain (the most important one)
House of Habsburg, Austria
House of Hanover, Germany (the second most important one)
House of Hohenzollern, Germany
House of Karadjordjevic, Yugoslavia (former)
House of Liechtenstein, Liechtenstein
House of Nassau, Luxembourg
House of Oldenburg, Denmark
House of Orange, Netherlands
House of Savoy, Italy
House of Wettin, Belgium
House of Wittelsbach, Germany
House of Württemberg, Germany
House of Zogu, Albania

All the families you will find on the Windsor family tree
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Postby sheye » Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:23 pm

Rath I disagree with you.

Greeney..you aren't reading all the links...and I'm not saying that this woman svali had this ritual with pope john paul included. There are high ranking officials in the church that are german,and one of them happens to be the pope now. She said she was taken to a "german fathers house" (in Germany)then transported to the vatican through secret tunnels where there was a french father and german father at this ritual. Having read somethings about pope benedicts history my gut instinct tells me it is him. She has not made much profit on any of this disclosure,and says so in one of her links....not much of a profit for speaking out against an organization that will most likely kill you for exposing the truth. C'mon..get a brain. She probably died for what she did (some payoff)
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Postby sheye » Sat Dec 26, 2009 3:52 pm

I'm going to give you the precise link to go to. On bibliotec site. First you go to link on interview with ex illuminati programmer. First link on that page should be about who svali is...go down to bottom of that page and in RED there will be a link that says return to interview with ex illuminati programmer..click it...it will take you to a new page..where towards the bottom is a link called "Born into the Illuminati" This is the link where she is telling Greg Szyminski about the vatican episode. Lots of info there ,and judging from her heartfelt words and remorse,not to mention death threats against her,really don't think she is making it up. If she was doing it for money why not just stay in the very wealthy family and keep your mouth shut.
I won't post anything else about this site...but it is there if you choose to look for it and read it. I got mixed up about which link it was under. She isn't the only one who has claims of such events occuring at the vatican either.
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Postby rath » Mon Dec 28, 2009 8:59 am

sheye wrote:Rath I disagree with you.


That's fine.

I just wonder what is the point of a secret society/s if somebody else can just come along & set up a rival secret society/s & undo everything you have tried to do / been doing.

All secret society's, have a leader & many others would seek that title as their own thus makeing any such group unworkable.

But that's just my POV.
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Postby sheye » Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:45 am

rath wrote:
sheye wrote:Rath I disagree with you.


That's fine.

I just wonder what is the point of a secret society/s if somebody else can just come along & set up a rival secret society/s & undo everything you have tried to do / been doing.

All secret society's, have a leader & many others would seek that title as their own thus makeing any such group unworkable.

But that's just my POV.

The point of secret societies,is to gather information,resources,and allies for the goals of control and manipulation. Do they work against each other at times..of course...and at times they work together. Setting up a "rival " secret society to undo all that the former was trying to accomplish is not as easy at it sounds,considering the roots these societies have,and the control they already possess,and I'm sure there have been a few wars over it.
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Postby gavin_witten » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:23 am

illuminati is not fake listen to lupe fiasco he talks of it so did tupac watrch white america by eminem an in the beginning in both corners of the elevator are triangles with an eye. aka the all seeing eye some refer to as the eye of god on the american currency, presidents speak of new world order which the bible also speaks of which will lead to the rapture an the illuminati does 'groom' the presidents to what they want an need accomplished. the freemasons are real btw. have you not seen a masonic lounge? i have one three miles from me. it all ties together by power, secrecy, an wealth.
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