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Postby frrostedman » Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:05 pm

The problem with psychic ability is, there is such a fine line between it and psychosis and imagination, that no skeptic would ever be convinced.

I'm an agnostic when it comes to psychic ability.

As far as spirits, ghosts, and folks ability to see them and interact with them in some way? I'm a believer.
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Postby frrostedman » Thu Dec 31, 2009 6:07 pm

As much as I respect mael's intellect and humor... after I read what he said I could not help but feel like there is a psychosis at work there. Maybe I'm wrong, I'll admit the possiblity being an agnostic on the subject, but... knowing what I know about mael and knowing what I know about anyone who has ever professed psychic ability to me... I make certain educated guesses.
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Postby mael » Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:33 am

frrostedman wrote:As much as I respect mael's intellect and humor... after I read what he said I could not help but feel like there is a psychosis at work there. Maybe I'm wrong, I'll admit the possiblity being an agnostic on the subject, but... knowing what I know about mael and knowing what I know about anyone who has ever professed psychic ability to me... I make certain educated guesses.


Oh yeah!

I'm definitely weird. Since I was young I have always been 'different.' I never joined 'gangs' or anything like that - it was always independance for me. I was precisely top of the class in the things I liked and I hated sports because I didn't like the contact... I mean I loved physical contact, but not that kind where you can get hurt or hurt someone else. So I scored the lowest possible marks in games/sports, but I was #2 out of my year consisting of around 350 boys in terms of fitness (running/jumping/pull-ups/push-ups etc) - and I didn't even try hard.

Maybe it was since I saw my first ghost when I was around 5 which set me up for a life of being different? No one around me saw them and I don't think they believed me. But I "know" there is something else.

And I've been away from my home country for over half my life and I hardly ever speak my native tongue. Much of my late teens and early twenties was spent alone traversing continents - sometimes settling down with some chick, but mostly on the road and sleeping under trees - I'd drape a blanket over the bike and warm the engine up and sleep under it if it was really cold.

I've had loads of 'crisis' - and at one point someone who seemed qualified said I was 'sociopathic,' That stung! And I'm not really sure whether this is an entirely bad thing or just another type of character amongst the throng. maybe the person who said I was a sociopath was someone I didn't like, that's all? - At least I'm sociopathic insomuch as I have never taken to socialising for the sake of it.

And I'm trying to think of the word .............. it's not schizophrenic - it's schizotypal. Being schizotypal is a 'borderline' mental disorder. Loads of artists, inventors, musicians, scientists and similar oddballs are also schizotypal.

And I know my wife is made of something really tough because she can put up with me.

Psychosis? I dunno. But I'm harmless, I think.

Just weird!

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Postby humphreys » Fri Jan 01, 2010 8:12 am

sandra wrote:What main claim is it that you don't support, obviously it is scientific fact we have inactive dna, is it that we can consciously activate inactive dna which you don't believe? You didn't say much, just wondering.


Yep, it's a pretty absurd notion to me, actually, that we could consciously control such a thing.

I have a problem with the claim that there actually is inactive DNA that, even if we COULD consciously activate it, could do the kinds of things being claimed in that article, too.
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Postby sandra » Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:23 am

humphreys I started a thread in paranormal for this, its a mixture of everything though.
So it could have fit a few places, I added some more articles, and I'm curious if you have read much on any of this prior. Also, I'd like to know if you have any information disproving claims that we cannot consciously activate dna, and so forth, through factual science, if you have anymore to add see my thread in paranormal. thanks.
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Postby humphreys » Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:42 am

sandra wrote:humphreys I started a thread in paranormal for this, its a mixture of everything though.
So it could have fit a few places, I added some more articles, and I'm curious if you have read much on any of this prior. Also, I'd like to know if you have any information disproving claims that we cannot consciously activate dna, and so forth, through factual science, if you have anymore to add see my thread in paranormal. thanks.


I don't really have time to slog through those long articles right now, to be honest, but yeah, I've read plenty of articles on the paranormal, and I'm generally aware of what has and hasn't been proved conclusively, and what has and hasn't been replicated by respected scientists.

Again, there can be no PROOF that we CANNOT consciously activate DNA, it can only be subject to proof, so anyone claiming it is possible has the onus of proof to show that it is, and said proof should be empircally provable, and repeatable by a number of scientists.

I know it just sounds like I'm brushing you off and your evidence with it, but there is so much crap out there, in order for me to take it seriously I would accept only a peer-reviewed and repeated scientific experiment, published in a respected scientific journal, demonstrating that we can consciously activate DNA. That's the standard level of proof we should tend to accept for exceptional claims like this, in my opinion.

If it's possible to do as you say, such an experiment should exist, and should have been published and peer-reviewed.
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Postby greeney2 » Sat Jan 02, 2010 2:02 pm

And I know my wife is made of something really tough because she can put up with me.


In that case my wife tougher than yours! :lol:
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Postby sandra » Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:50 pm

humphreys wrote:I don't really have time to slog through those long articles right now, to be honest, but yeah, I've read plenty of articles on the paranormal, and I'm generally aware of what has and hasn't been proved conclusively, and what has and hasn't been replicated by respected scientists.


They are all very simple reads, I'll be adding from time to time, and would have liked if you already had added this last post to the thread, I'd like to gather information there, whether it be that people don't accept the idea, or just any thoughts.

My question to you was: Prior to this, what was your awareness of DNA activation? Have you ever read articles or known of these ideas prior? If you may ever find time, you may atleast find it interesting, although you will most likely not accpet the ideas, it can't hurt anything being more aware of these concepts. If you respond could you please do so in the other thread. Hope atleast a few people will check it out.
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Postby Tairaa » Sat Jan 02, 2010 8:02 pm

frrostedman wrote:
mrshumphreys wrote:Magicks?

Great.

Another troll trying to derail the thread into some kind of occult thing.


Derail the thread? No more then you pointing it out. It was in response to a post which was in response to a post, so I mean.. You'd have to judge the other two before it to be derailing as well.

Physics? I for one, BELIEVE!

:lol: :lol:
Likewise.

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Sandra-
Junk DNA exists, yes. We're unsure as too why or exactly what purpose it may have or where it originated.
But no facts are available on DNA activation that I am able to find, except that of retroviruses being modified or removed. Example being the removal or modification of the retrovirus that a species of bird has that prevents it from growing teeth, that it has genetic information for in the DNA, but was inhibited by a retrovirus that is passed on from generation to generation.

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OH! I see! I think..

Tom, you're joking around with Humphreys throughout the thread, yes? It's hard to tell with the lack of smileys, and no shortage of the bad smileys.
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Postby humphreys » Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:16 am

Tairaa, Tom just hates me and my wife because we're avid Occultists who love nature and running around naked in the forest chanting to our Goddess.
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