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Postby mael » Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:52 am

The fearmongering to get especially pregnant women, babies, toddlers and kids 'vaccinated' seems to be a deliberate attempt to cripple and weaken as many of the new generation as possible. - At least that is what I have thought for a long time.

And this may convince you of it, too.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... demic.aspx

* Avoid that 'vaccine' whatever you do, and you would be doing mankind a useful service if you can prevent others from taking them.
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Postby greeney2 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:05 am

And the statistics everyday, are showing that Pregnant women and children have been dying of this disease. They are among at the most risk for dying from it. Not too many people get hit by lighting, but only a fool listens to someone who knows nothing about the precautions.

Bottom line is you are not qualified to profess anything medically to anyone.
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Postby greeney2 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:21 am

Pregnant women should get flu shot as winter bites: WHO
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GENEVA (Reuters) – Pregnant women and other people at high risk should be vaccinated against the H1N1 swine flu virus as the cold weather begins to bite in the northern hemisphere, the World Health Organization (WHO) said on Tuesday.

It voiced concern that some vulnerable people are shying away from the pandemic vaccine, which the WHO stressed had not caused any unusual side effects in hundreds of thousands of people to have received it worldwide so far.

"Certainly the fact that the vaccine isn't being used by those who would have access to it and who would be in priority risk groups is of concern, yes," WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl told a news briefing.

At least 5,712 people have died from the swine flu virus, according to the United Nations agency. Health workers, pregnant women and people with conditions such as asthma are deemed at greatest risk and should be top priority for getting the shot.

"We have seen many, many instances of people in high risk groups such as pregnant women who have very severe disease or outcomes. These outcomes could be in all likelihood avoided if one were to get vaccinated," Hartl said.

A flu epidemic in Ukraine -- with more than 250,000 cases and 70 deaths from acute respiratory illness reported so far by national authorities on Tuesday -- may be an "early warning signal" as winter sets in, the WHO said.

"The outbreak in Ukraine may be indicative of how the virus can behave in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, particularly in health care settings typically found in Eastern Europe," the WHO said in a statement.

The former Soviet republic closed schools, banned public meetings and restricted travel last Friday for three weeks.

HITTING THE YOUNG

Unlike seasonal flu, which is most dangerous to the elderly, H1N1 is hitting younger adults and children especially hard.

The WHO recommends a single vaccine dose for protecting adults against H1N1. It has also urged governments to consider giving a single dose to as many children under age 10 as possible, but says more research is needed into child dosages.

In the United States, studies show that children under the age of 9 will need two doses of the vaccine to be fully protected, officials there said on Monday.

Parts of North America and Europe have already crossed the epidemic threshold, ahead of the normal influenza season which peaks in January-February for the northern hemisphere, WHO says.

"There is substantial influenza activity and we would expect to see more. Certainly the indications are that this will become something quite widespread across the northern hemisphere temperate zones as we go forward through the late autumn and winter," Hartl said.

But the WHO is reluctant to speak of a "second wave" of outbreaks, as the virus may have just been less active in the summer months, he said. Colder weather favors its spread.

Countries from China to the United States have rolled out vaccination campaigns and the rare side effects have been mild, in line with those caused by seasonal flu vaccines, Hartl said.

GlaxoSmithKline and Sanofi-Aventis are among some 25 drugmakers companies producing pandemic vaccine.

(For WHO Ukraine statement, go to http://r.reuters.com/hut47f )

(Editing by Jonathan Lynn)

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Postby Cole_Trickle » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:38 pm

greeney2 wrote:And the statistics everyday, are showing that Pregnant women and children have been dying of this disease. They are among at the most risk for dying from it. Not too many people get hit by lighting, but only a fool listens to someone who knows nothing about the precautions.

Bottom line is you are not qualified to profess anything medically to anyone.


80% of those who have died and will in the future die had/have underlying conditions of some sort. It's no different than the normal seasonal flu. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT Not to mention it's new and unproven so therefor more probable that it's
UNSAFE

Why don't you post the piece about those who have died from the shot?

The SWINE is a swindle: Nothing more-nothing less.

Bring Em Home Cole

PS. New York health workers revolted and refused to get the shot Post that one ;) A Judge tossed the Order.
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Postby mael » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:40 pm

greeney2 wrote:And the statistics everyday, are showing that Pregnant women and children have been dying of this disease. They are among at the most risk for dying from it. Not too many people get hit by lighting, but only a fool listens to someone who knows nothing about the precautions.


* I know that of the 36 children who died in the States between April and August, 30 of them had chronic, serious underlying conditions.

* And that all of the 36 had a bacterial infection.

* The virus in the vaccine and/or the virus without the vaccine damages the throat and this allows the streptococcus bacteria to enter the lungs, where it can cause death - as it evidently did in those six children who were without other chronic-serious underlying conditions.

* The bacterial infection would normally be kept in check until eradicated through the immune system's components in the lining of the nose and the throat.

Bottom line is you are not qualified to profess anything medically to anyone.


* Yes, I am.
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Postby mael » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:15 pm

greeney2's-post wrote:Pregnant women should get flu shot as winter bites: WHO


* Winter is over in the Southern Hemisphere and the H1N1 virus scaremongering (for the pharmaceutical orgs) proved ridiculous.

.. Reuters – People wait in line for the H1N1 vaccine as children play in front of signs showing the criteria for …


* Like lambs to the slaughter.

Pregnant women and other people at high risk should be vaccinated against the H1N1 swine flu virus as the cold weather begins to bite in the northern hemisphere, the World Health Organization (WHO) said on Tuesday.


* And bearing in mind the situation in the Southern Hemisphere - where the 'flu' season is now over, what is the justification and rationale behind this scare-mongering statement?

* Rede linc Gweeney.

It voiced concern that some vulnerable people are shying away from the pandemic vaccine, which the WHO stressed had not caused any unusual side effects in hundreds of thousands of people to have received it worldwide so far.


* Bo - lox. This is absurd.

"Certainly the fact that the vaccine isn't being used by those who would have access to it and who would be in priority risk groups is of concern, yes," WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl told a news briefing.


* Lucky them for finding out the truth.

At least 5,712 people have died from the swine flu virus, according to the United Nations agency.


* In what countries?

* Were they vaccinated?

* Did they have chronic and serious underlying conditions?

* Was the cause of death actually the flu? I understand they stopped testing to see if it was flu back in the spring, and all the cases since then are pure guess-work.

Health workers, pregnant women and people with conditions such as asthma are deemed at greatest risk and should be top priority for getting the shot.


* And the most at risk of being harmed by the shot. It's interesting, isn't it.

"We have seen many, many instances of people in high risk groups such as pregnant women who have very severe disease or outcomes. These outcomes could be in all likelihood avoided if one were to get vaccinated," Hartl said.


* With evidence to the contrary. A bald-faced lie.

A flu epidemic in Ukraine -- with more than 250,000 cases and 70 deaths from acute respiratory illness reported so far by national authorities on Tuesday -- may be an "early warning signal" as winter sets in, the WHO said.


* More fear-mongering. where are the relevant facts?

"The outbreak in Ukraine may be indicative of how the virus can behave in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, particularly in health care settings typically found in Eastern Europe," the WHO said in a statement.


* Absolutely meaningless.

The former Soviet republic closed schools, banned public meetings and restricted travel last Friday for three weeks.


* So? Fearmongers aren't restricted to government offices in the West.

HITTING THE YOUNG

Unlike seasonal flu, which is most dangerous to the elderly, H1N1 is hitting younger adults and children especially hard.


* Hardly surprising as their immune systems are compromised through alleged vaccines, their diets are appalling, and the environment is filled with toxic materials from companies related to the petro-pharmaceutical industry.

* Older people have typically had fewer vaccines, and wouldn't eat so much fast-food GM garbage.

The WHO recommends a single vaccine dose for protecting adults against H1N1. It has also urged governments to consider giving a single dose to as many children under age 10 as possible, but says more research is needed into child dosages.


* Then how come you in the States are slated for at least two shots of the H1N1 'vaccine?'

* I hope you get three, Greeney.

* Of course they don't know the correct dosage for a child. That's why they give the same amount to 400 pound adults as they do to a 40 pound kid. It's such an exact-science.

* A one-size-fits-all mentality and for the ones who get too much for their systems and have symptoms which can't be ignored, it's tough bickies (but thank you for paying for that 'vaccine' before you died.

In the United States, studies show that children under the age of 9 will need two doses of the vaccine to be fully protected, officials there said on Monday.


* Yes. this will result in many more being invalidated then if they had only one.

Parts of North America and Europe have already crossed the epidemic threshold, ahead of the normal influenza season which peaks in January-February for the northern hemisphere, WHO says.


* This is ............... it begins with an 'f.' .............. And ends with 'earmongering.'

* Where is anything of substance in that statement?

"There is substantial influenza activity and we would expect to see more. Certainly the indications are that this will become something quite widespread across the northern hemisphere temperate zones as we go forward through the late autumn and winter," Hartl said.


* Based on what? a crystal ball?

But the WHO is reluctant to speak of a "second wave" of outbreaks, as the virus may have just been less active in the summer months, he said. Colder weather favors its spread.


* Oh yes! That reminds me:- Get plenty of sun exposure. The vit D from sunlight is very helpful to your immune system.

Countries from China to the United States have rolled out vaccination campaigns and the rare side effects have been mild, in line with those caused by seasonal flu vaccines, Hartl said.


* Yes - I expect they probably are - in line with the effects of the other flu 'vaccines' people are exposed to. But this is wholly bad news.

* The thruth is that two or three 'vaccinations' with their cocktails of filth and poison is certainly going to cause some damage to you, and that it will be noticable in more cases than it would have been had the unfortnate recipient only been plied with one toxic cocktail of 'vaccine.'

GlaxoSmithKline and Sanofi-Aventis are among some 25 drugmakers companies producing pandemic vaccine.


* and sharing the the trillions of dollar$ in profits now from their sale, and are going to make a lot more in the future treating the people they have harmed with it.

* Don't get that vaccine! Especially pregnant women and small children. (Except Greeney2 and the rest of the illiterate apologists for this vaccine and flu farce).
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Postby greeney2 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:37 pm

All your opinions, none from any medical background!
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Postby mael » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:43 pm

Journal Staff Report


KIEV, Nov. 2 – The government overreacted to an outbreak of the swine flu in Ukraine to give competitive advantage to Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko at the next presidential election, a Tymoshenko rival charged Monday.

The panic triggered by the government’s decision to declare the outbreak a major threat, has served to overshadow recent scandals involving Tymoshenko loyalists, Arseniy Yatseniuk, the No. 3 most popular presidential candidate, said.

“This is in fact part of the political campaign,” Yatseniuk said in an interview with ICTV. “The main thing is to get the presidential office. All efforts and resources have been thrown for this.”

At least 71 people, in western regions of Ukraine, were killed by the swine flu over the past three weeks, but the death toll figure has been apparently hovering around levels usually caused by seasonal flu.

Oleksandr Bilovol, a deputy healthcare minister, said Monday the outbreak has been essentially contained in 11 out of 25 Ukrainian regions, with the number of people only 15% exceeding figures reported in previous years.

“Figures in other the regions are in line with 2007 and 2008,” Bilovol said.

The Tymoshenko government on Friday declared the outbreak as the threat of the third level – the highest possible – to unlock spending of up to 3 billion hryvnias to combat the swine flu.

Other measures included shutting down schools and public gatherings for three weeks across Ukraine, with the government also considering introducing restrictions on movement of people between the regions.

The measures, some of the sternest in the world, come in sharp contrast with other Eastern European countries that face similar challenges, analysts said.

Margaret Chan, the director general of the World Health Organization, which tracks the swine flu internationally, sees the pandemic as “moderate” in severity with the overwhelming majority of patients experiencing only mild symptoms and a full recovery, often in the absence of any medical treatment.

Yatseniuk said the ban on public gatherings spreads fear and panic helping Tymoshenko to promote herself on television, while hindering other presidential candidates to campaign.

Yatseniuk is Tymoshenko’s biggest rival as both compete for votes in western regions of Ukraine. He is perhaps the only candidate that may challenge Tymoshenko in the first round of vote on January 17, 2010 to enter the runoff with opposition leader Viktor Yanukovych.

Yatseniuk’s rating has been showing negative growth over the past several months, suggesting that Tymoshenko has been winning over voters in the western regions.

“Why did the outbreak take place in four western regions? Because there are four battleground regions for the electorate,” Yatseniuk said.

He said the panic spread by the government helps to put aside issues that are politically damaging to Tymoshenko, including the pedophile and the murder scandals involving Tymoshenko lawmakers, and Ukraine’s dismal economic performance caused by mismanagement.

“Now, look what happened,” Yatseniuk said. “Does anybody talk about the pedophile scandal? No. Maybe somebody talks about Lozynskiy [a Tymoshenko lawmaker accused of shooting a person to death]? No. Maybe somebody talks about wages? No. Maybe somebody talks about four million unemployed? No. Maybe somebody talks about unpaid natural gas bills? No.”

“People that are in fear, that are poor, are easier to be manipulated,” Yatseniuk said. “This is what the state apparatus is aimed at – manipulating the people.” (tl/ez)



http://www.ukrainianjournal.com/inde...rticle&id=9367
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Postby mael » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:47 pm

greeney2 wrote:All your opinions, none from any medical background!


* Yes, they are my current opinion.

* And I do have a medical background. But anyone can claim anything about them on the internet, so check out what my opinion is, as this will settle any doubts you may like to entertain about what I claim.
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Postby greeney2 » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:58 pm

We can trade articals all day long, I;m not a doctor and neither are you. If you want to give your opinion do it, but don't say things that could be a life threatening mistake for someone else, when you have no medical expertise. Just becasue you don't trust any level of government, doesn't make your medical opinions valid.
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