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Postby rath » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:24 am

August 31, 2009


WHITE Europeans could have evolved as recently as 5500 years ago, according to research that suggests the early humans who populated Britain and Scandinavia had dark skins for millennia.

It was only when early humans gave up hunter-gathering and switched to farming about 5500 years ago that white skin began to be favoured, say the researchers.

This is because farmed food was deficient in vitamin D, a vital nutrient. Humans can make this in their skin when exposed to sunlight, but dark skin is much less efficient at it.

In places such as northern Europe, where sunlight levels are low, the ability to make vitamin D more efficiently could have been crucial to survival.

Johan Moan, of the Institute of Physics at the University of Oslo, said in a research paper: "In England, from 5500-5200 years ago the food changed rapidly away from fish as an important food source. This led to a rapid development of ... light skin."

Professor Moan, who worked with Richard Setlow, a biophysicist at Brookhaven National Laboratory in New York state, said vitamin D deficiency could be lethal. Research links it with heart disease, diabetes, arthritis and reduced immunity.

"Cold climates and high latitudes would speed up the need for skin lightening," their research says. "Agricultural food was an insufficient source of vitamin D, and solar radiation was too low to produce enough vitamin D in dark skin."
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Postby BornAquarius » Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:02 am

Why Did People Become White?
Tue Sep 1, 11:21 am ET
Humans come in a rainbow of hues, from dark chocolate browns to nearly translucent whites.

This full kaleidoscope of skin colors was a relatively recent evolutionary development, according to biologists, occuring alongside the migration of modern humans out of Africa between 100,000 and 50,000 years ago.

The consensus among scientists has always been that lower levels of vitamin D at higher latitudes - where the sun is less intense - caused the lightening effect when modern humans, who began darker-skinned, first migrated north.

But other factors might be at work, a new study suggests. From the varying effects of frostbite to the sexual preferences of early men, a host of theories have been reviewed.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience...oplebecomewhite

This is an interesting and age old question, one that I have wondered about, there are some that think we were brought here from other planets, thus the reason for our diversity in looks.
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Postby rath » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:29 am

No doubt there would be more than just one reason, im sure.
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Postby CodeBlack » Sat Sep 12, 2009 1:19 pm

You mean eating fish makes you darker? Someone should have told Michael Jackson. What if I eat white fish? What if I take vitamins? So if aliens are gray or green then what does that mean?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYuyar-rrNY

In fact, what is the point of worrying about why people are different colors? The real question is, what makes people smarter? Why did Europeans evolve to create rockets, computers and Viagra?
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Postby Percival » Sun Sep 13, 2009 3:08 am

It's not that important in the grand scheme of things, but I guess humans are just curious and like to know the answers to everything.

As for Europeans leading the way technologically, some might argue we're merely standing on the shoulders of giants. Prior to European colonialism, both the chinese and the arabs were more advanced scientifically. Maybe our big advantage was to assimilate all we learned from our travels and conquests. Besides, research and technological development needs money and funding - and guess who has all the money?
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Postby CodeBlack » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:42 am

Standing on the shoulders of giants is a spurious claim and a cop out. True, few inventions happen in a vacuum but the great technologies of today were created by the "white" peoples, be they European or other. Airplanes, cars, cell phones, microchips, television, rockets (and the other 50,000 inventions which give us space travel), and modern health science did not simply modify existing technologies. Why is it so hard to give people the credit they deserve? Maybe that's why western civs are de-evolving technologically. As an example, look at the UK's train system (what a joke). Look at the US's infrastructure, which is a monument to stagnation and mis-management.

If anything its the non-white civs today that are standing on the shoulders of giants. It is western technology that has invaded China, India, the Middle East, etc.

The current big problem with western civ is that it was born of capitalism but that capitalism devolved into monopolism and then feudalism mixed with socialism. And its dying as a result. White people don't invent anything anymore. They're too busy sitting on their a$$ watching football.
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Postby Percival » Thu Sep 17, 2009 1:24 pm

My point was that all the technological advancements european-based cultures have created in recent centuries is based on the fact that they had the money and resources to do so. It's not about giving credit where its due, its about seeing the whole picture. Yes because the West now leads the world in technology the rest of the world needs us to catch up, but in the past it has been the other way round. In medieval times trade between east and west made the orient very rich and as a result had a mini tech-evolution. Its swings and roundabouts, the west caught up and hey presto - the renaissance began. Credit one, credit all.

Here's a thought - the greek scientist archimedes invented engineering theories and formulae that would have led to an industrial revolution over 1500 years earlier than actually happened - if only some roman soldier had not killed him during the romans' occupation of ancient greece. Archimedes was deep in thought at his desk when soldiers burst in and ordered him to attention. With his mind occupied he didn't immediately comply so a soldier ran him through with a sword, and his work was mostly forgotten. His mathematical genius only came to light when recent researchers found later copies of his writings had been recycled to make medieval prayer books. When paper was scarce, the monks had considered his heathen scriblings not worth preserving.
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Postby CodeBlack » Fri Sep 18, 2009 6:24 pm

Archimedes? Wasn't he the one who figure out density?

The human race has no patience for techies, then or now. They have no appreciation for who created the lifestyle in which they find themselves. One day, the techies will revolt and slay the brain dead Eloi once and for all. :evil: :geek:
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Postby Aquatank » Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:30 am

People's intelligence is reflected by the stresses around them. The more people uses their noggins the smarter they get, environmental and social stresses cause people to think more often. Each particular envoreonment offers its own stresses and thusly people are adapt to that environment. One of the worst things about intelligence measurements is that they are specific to the writers own environment culture and otherwise and don't always apply to other environments. A smart person from one nation intelligence measurements will go go down the further they are from their normal crcumstances thusly making them appear stupid or unvcouth at times. This is seen continously in who are the worst world travellers & tourists annually because these people refuse to or are unable to adapt to different niches for various reasons.

Compare these charts on retardation they basically say retardation starts in the 70s and gets progressively worse downwards
http://www.assessmentpsychology.com/iqc ... ations.htm

Then look at the national IQ averages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality
and you will note a whole bunch of 70s and even 60s. Are these people retarded, no they are not. They are adapted to their environment, and they are being measured with foreign tests, consequently the testers probably are less adapted to the tested region as well. Furthermore there is a direct correlation to the amount of schooling availiable to poorer nations. School is an environment too. Its a place that strengthens the mind and introduces new strategems of thinking. Why are Americans getting dumber, because they drop out of school earlier and don't have to think as much even when in school.
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Postby rath » Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:25 am

CodeBlack wrote:Standing on the shoulders of giants is a spurious claim and a cop out. True, few inventions happen in a vacuum but the great technologies of today were created by the "white" peoples, be they European or other. Airplanes, cars, cell phones, microchips, television, rockets (and the other 50,000 inventions which give us space travel), and modern health science did not simply modify existing technologies. Why is it so hard to give people the credit they deserve? Maybe that's why western civs are de-evolving technologically. As an example, look at the UK's train system (what a joke). Look at the US's infrastructure, which is a monument to stagnation and mis-management.

If anything its the non-white civs today that are standing on the shoulders of giants. It is western technology that has invaded China, India, the Middle East, etc.

The current big problem with western civ is that it was born of capitalism but that capitalism devolved into monopolism and then feudalism mixed with socialism. And its dying as a result. White people don't invent anything anymore. They're too busy sitting on their a$$ watching football.





I agree,


Just look at all the inventions us white guys thought of ........ computers, medical advances,
Space travel, & rocket science, & nuclear technologies.

& just think, :?:


We, white people didn't invent crap all' until we put down the abacus & the ruins & started using
the Hindi numbers & decimal system (numbers) (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 and 9), slightly changed, were taken over by the Europeans from the Arabs, after India invented numbers & the zero, & took them into the middle east ........ like many other important items.

They even called them "Indian figures". During the 10th century.
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