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hxxx wrote:Sorry to burst your disinfo bubble greeney2, but Ahmadinjad has never threatened to "wipe israel off the map."

Juan Cole wrote:Ahmadinejad did not use that phrase in Persian. He quoted an old saying of Ayatollah Khomeini calling for 'this occupation regime over Jerusalem" to "vanish from the page of time.' Calling for a regime to vanish is not the same as calling for people to be killed...

...There is no such idiom in Persian and it is not what he said, and the mistranslation gives entirely the wrong impression. Wars can start over bad translations.

http://www.juancole.com/2007/06/ahmadin ... mitic.html

Anyone up to the challenge of showing the above to be wrong?

This is correct. Israel deliberately mistranslated. Oh what a surprise.

True that.

hxxx wrote:

Juan Cole wrote:Ahmadinejad did not use that phrase in Persian. He quoted an old saying of Ayatollah Khomeini calling for 'this occupation regime over Jerusalem" to "vanish from the page of time.' Calling for a regime to vanish is not the same as calling for people to be killed...
...There is no such idiom in Persian and it is not what he said, and the mistranslation gives entirely the wrong impression. Wars can start over bad translations.
http://www.juancole.com/2007/06/ahmadin ... mitic.html

Anyone up to the challenge of showing the above to be wrong?

Heh. No prob, genius. First, explain what the hell it DOES mean, if it doesn't mean the obvious. Second, explain why Ahmadinejad isn't the one so desperately trying to defuse the comment.

In other words, I believe in fairness, not stupidity. Y'all want to be led by the nose and claim it's us other guys being led, go for it. I hope you never get proven wrong, or at least not the hard way.

vulcan6gun wrote:Heh. No prob, genius. First, explain what the hell it DOES mean, if it doesn't mean the obvious. Second, explain why Ahmadinejad isn't the one so desperately trying to defuse the comment.

* Quote what you want clarified and I'll try to explain 'it.'

In other words, I believe in fairness, not stupidity. Y'all want to be led by the nose and claim it's us other guys being led, go for it. I hope you never get proven wrong, or at least not the hard way.

* In the case of 'us' being proven wrong then why should 'we' worry? It's you 'others' who need to be concerned.

+ the duly elected president of Iran has never directly threatened war against 'Israel' but he has made it clear they would defend themselves if attacked. Fortunately 'Israelis' aren't the only ones who can translate from Persian or they could get away with saying anything, couldn't they.

My sincerest apologies, Maelstrom. I was under the impression you were literate.

Funny thing is, Ahmadinejad is just the barking dog put out front for show.

His finger isn't even on the trigger. He is not commander of the Irani armed forces. Khomeini is.

Ahmadinejad's words have clearly been knowingly misinterpreted and broadcast as such.

I'd question the motives of the anyone that knowingly misrepresents what anyone said.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't agree with their motives...maybe even their methods.

However, no self-respecting individual likes being lied to.

hxxx wrote:His finger isn't even on the trigger. He is not commander of the Irani armed forces. Khomeini is.

You mean Montazeri.

I'd question the motives of the anyone that knowingly misrepresents what anyone said.

As would I!
And rightly so.



This whole thing is known to be a misinterpretation. Probably intentional, since we're dealing with Israel.

He never said he would wipe Israel off the map. Or that Israel should be wiped of the map. Or that Israel will be wiped off the map. He never said any of these things.
Not once.

So 100% of the argument is, you know, null.

Anyone who disagrees is free to do so, but I mean... In the name of getting facts straight, wtf?
It's like quote mining, plus misrepresentation of information. Can we say "Agenda"?


It's a shame to see so many intelligent people see it for something it's not, and then defend it as something it's not even when it's been shown conclusively that it's not the case.

If you feel it hasn't been conclusively shown to not be the case feel free to post why you feel this way.

vulcan6gun wrote:My sincerest apologies, Maelstrom. I was under the impression you were literate.

I acknowledge your attempt to apologise.

But I wouldn't accept your apologies even if you made an effort at being sincere you Vacuous windbag.

Try staying on topic and leave-out your piss-poor attempts at appraising my capabilities.