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Postby Wing-Zero » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:57 pm

Aquatank wrote:I personally think they (the AI takeover the world fearers) are looking at it from the wrong angle, and partially because they are dissing singularity. That angle is robots become self aware and go on a rampage ala a Terminator & Matrix. That's the wrong angle IMO sure we will make robot soldiers and then robot that eat people and stuff and then robot repair bots but in the end we control the factories making singularity the implausible. Heres the problem though, the djinn is out of the bottle so it comes down some whackos purposefully starting out with singularity at the bottom and working its way upwards with designs meet needs, like a normal lifeform humans don't control anything because the whack jobs designed the system to operate without human intervention like they are clockwork gods. Can we say doomsdayweapon system?


The weapon is the robots, and if all we do is make them smarter, they'll figure out eventually that we're obsolete.
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Postby Aquatank » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:01 am

They don't have to be smart, just programmed to recognize and kill humans. I'm coming to realize human sized robots aren't the threat but usb stick sized ones and smaller that might do a borg-like conversion to various venomous insects and arachnids and use them to carry out the programming.
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Postby Wing-Zero » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:53 pm

Aquatank wrote:They don't have to be smart, just programmed to recognize and kill humans. I'm coming to realize human sized robots aren't the threat but usb stick sized ones and smaller that might do a borg-like conversion to various venomous insects and arachnids and use them to carry out the programming.


That's the point.

The first thing we're going to use robots for is to get our guys out of the combat zone. Then, we're going to want a more controlled grid so we can link all of them at the same time to issue the same orders. That grid NEEDS to have a very complex AI in order for it to be efficient, and that AI is what's going to launch the nukes that blow us to s**t.

You can't use robots for anything other than the simplest of tasks that require no advanced AI. If we start doing that, it'll turn into I, Robot and Terminator real fast.
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Postby rath » Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:36 am

Just watch the Transformers.

Transformers tells us what will be.



The Robots take over.

Even that transformers rip off, Terminator can teach us something about what may happen if mankind gets lazy.



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MANKIND MAKES ROBOTS ....... THE ROBOTS KILL MANKIND & TAKE OVER.

Cybertron was a world where mechanical creatures were brought to life by a device known as the All Spark.

Primus is Unicron's sibling, and the creator god of the Transformers. His body is the planet Cybertron, and the mega-computer Vector Sigma serves as his internal mainframe. Though he rarely meddles in the affairs of his creations, he has gifted a portion of his lifeforce within the Matrix, which determines the leader of the Autobots.

Prophecies of a war to come were written down in his holy covenant as well. The spark of each Transformer is a small piece of Primus's essence, and together they form his lifeforce, the Allspark.





After the dark god Unicron devoured nearly everything in his universe, the sentient core of what remained rebuilt the universe, this time with the god Primus as its guardian. Their physical battles tended to favor Unicron, so Primus attempted to combat his foe on the astral plane. Failing even this, he returned to the physical universe in such a way that both became imprisoned in planetoids.

Finding that he could shape his prison, Primus molded Cybertron out of himself. To the first Transformer he gave the Creation Matrix, which contained Primus's essence and was capable of instilling life into machines. As it turned out, it was also the only thing that could kill Unicron. He then went into slumber to avoid psychic detection from Unicron, planning to wake up when he thought his children were ready to destroy his old enemy.

Unicron, meanwhile, shaped his prison into a mechanical planet that could transform into his old form, and began searching for Primus. Millions of years later, Jazz, Bumblebee, Grimlock, and the Rescue patrol were heading to Earth from Cybertron, via the trans-dimensional portal. Bludgeon, Octopunch and Stranglehold then attacked the base and damaged the portal control console, sending both themselves and the Autobots into the center of Cybertron. There, the Autobots found the sleeping Primus and his assigned protector. The guardian then told them the story of Primus's origin and warned them against waking Primus, shortly before the Decepticons caught up and killed him. During the fight, a blast from Octopunch's gun bounced off Grimlock's back and hit Primus in the forehead, waking him up with a scream. Although Primus fell back asleep, and the Transformers were transported to Earth by Xaaron, it became apparent that the scream may have alerted Unicron to their location.

Knowing that the only thing that could stop Unicron was the Creation Matrix, and that the Matrix had been launched into space along with Prime's old body, the Autobots scearched for it. The Decepticon Thunderwing discovered the Autobot operation and decided, with his troops, to pursue them. When Grimlock, Jazz, and Bumblebee finally located the Matrix, Thunderwing defeated them all and took the Matrix, which accepted him. Prime fought Thunderwing for the Matrix, but found himself unable to bear risking the safety of the Matrix. Nightbeat then took matters into his own hands and harpooned Thunderwing with a shuttle harpoon. He then launched the shuttle, along with Thunderwing, into space, where it self-destructed.

Not long after, a Galvatron from an alternate reality was brought into this universe by Unicron. However, he turned on Unicron and instead, convinced Xaaron to wake Primus again. Succeeding, Xaaron was in turn possessed by Primus and transported to Cybertron all the Transformers from Earth (except Fortress Maximus) to fight Unicron. During the battle, Primus attempted to destroy Unicron directly, but was killed (and Xaaron's body destroyed) in the fight. Unicron was eventually annihilated when Prime plunged the Matrix (taken from a returned and destroyed Thunderwing) into Unicron's body.
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Postby Aquatank » Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:11 pm

I'm not sure Terminator can be a Transformers rip-off, both Transformers and Terminator were launched in 1984 and earlier than that we have the example of Galaxy Express 999, As well as the Doctor Who episodes of "the Chase" (1965) and "the War Machines" (1966)

The original 1921 Robot story Rossum's Universal Robots has the bioroid/robots taking over the world. And even then Frankenstein and other Golum stories present the archetype that would later become the robot revoltions like Maximum Overdrive, Terminator, and Matrix.

We have a fear of mechanical evil at war as it visualized in The Red Badge of Courage.
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Postby rath » Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:45 pm

Aquatank wrote:I'm not sure Terminator can be a Transformers rip-off, both Transformers and Terminator were launched in 1984 and earlier than that we have the example of Galaxy Express 999, As well as the Doctor Who episodes of "the Chase" (1965) and "the War Machines" (1966)

The original 1921 Robot story Rossum's Universal Robots has the bioroid/robots taking over the world. And even then Frankenstein and other Golum stories present the archetype that would later become the robot revoltions like Maximum Overdrive, Terminator, and Matrix.

We have a fear of mechanical evil at war as it visualized in The Red Badge of Courage.


i spose your now going to tell me that the Matrix is not a rip off of the Transformer story either.

The Transformer Matrix of Leadership or Creation Matrix / Crystal Matrix in the fictional Transformers universes is the Autobot talisman of legend, passed down from leader to leader.

The Transformer were fighting to control the Matrix.
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Postby Dark-Samus » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:19 am

I think he maybe just means that Terminator Salvation was a bit of rip off considering The Harvester Robots...

But anyway, no none of the 3 movies are a rip off from one another. :roll:

And yes robots is the next step of evolution.

Like Agent Smith says:

Look out the window, you´ve had your time, the future is ours Morpheus, the future is our time.

And no USA, you won´t kill them as easy as you do in your lil hollywood movies :roll:
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Postby Aquatank » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:22 pm

I don't know about killing them off, they seem to be like anything else cut off their power source (blow the battery or fuel tank) would be the main target, shoot their brain/microchip (there might be a few of these but it'll be a finite number), cut off their internal and external communication signals. seems like a cakewalk until they over-armor themselves.
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Postby Wing-Zero » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:50 pm

Aquatank wrote:I don't know about killing them off, they seem to be like anything else cut off their power source (blow the battery or fuel tank) would be the main target, shoot their brain/microchip (there might be a few of these but it'll be a finite number), cut off their internal and external communication signals. seems like a cakewalk until they over-armor themselves.


Except if it's that advanced of an AI it'll see that tactic coming and initiate a fail safe to insure its own survival.
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Postby Tairaa » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:16 pm

Precisely. A purely logical intelligence will surely think out and plan for all things it is able to predict. Armour on a robot is better then armour on a person because a robot can carry around a big heavy suit of armour on caterpillers with automatic weaponry and be fairly immune to smile weapons fire, whereas a human is very mobile and has far more possible movements available to them.

This makes coverage harder. And on top of that a human being can't very well fight effectively with enough titanium to stop bullets on as armour. Robots could hypothetically. I dunno.. I think robots could currently be engineered that could very very effectively kill people, regardless of whether or not they have weapons.
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