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Postby rath » Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:05 am

Aquatank wrote:There are both perks and flaws to the R/C and autonomous approach to warfare. The two major flaws IMO with R/C are transmission lag time and hackability. Any computer is hackable. There are numerous problems with fully autonomous including programming robotic ROE as well as friendly, enemy, and non combatant identification, further more being an AI makes it hackable. On the plus side robots won't commit as many warcrimes from emotional response but there collateral damage capabilities may be terrible. Also the amount of allied casaulties goes down. Unfortunately as has been noted even as we go to more and more PGMs our world's wars' civilian casaulties death tolls are going up from less than 10% to over 45% in less than 1/2 a century.

That doesn't mean there will not be advances the prime example will be largely the introduction of graphene as armor for foot soldiers all the way through MBTS and Battlecruisers. Effectively this would make a 55ton MBT like the M1A1 a 15-20 ton tank with faster speeds and better mileage. The other development will be the introduction of the EM Coilgun as a battlefield weapon to take out graphene armor. Metal storm is effective but like all of war its only part of an arms race between weapons and armor. For the time being that means Armor will win for awhile and possibly force battlefields into stalemates for those who have it.

Further complicating the problem is NGO asymtetrical warfare, more and more military units will have to become more oriented to SWAT type conflicts than large battlefields, while nations must become more prepared for NBC warfare since large scale invasions of the past would become little more than cannonfodder in some places.


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Postby Aquatank » Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:04 pm

It may be true but its getting rather disturbing. First its the rat brain flying the f-22 simulator http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 104658.htm, meaning a possible future with cyborg (Rodorg?) autonomous combat robots, and now the the Pentagon is looking into autonomous robots that can eat organic matter including corpses to fuel their operations http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-robot-eats-d ... ?track=rss. Humans could very well be loooking at real trouble where we become the hunted.

As Dr,. Who put it in Image of the Fendahl. "Your ancestors have a talent for self-destruction that borders on genius."
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Postby Aquatank » Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:22 am

In regards to the above post I posted The Association for the Advancement of Artificial Intelligence recently held a closed door meeting in Moterey Bay California to discuss the possibilities of robots gone amok and threatening human life while dismissing singularity. http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol ... 736130.ece
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Postby rath » Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:00 am

Aquatank wrote:In regards to the above post I posted The Association for the Advancement of Artificial Intelligence recently held a closed door meeting in Moterey Bay California to discuss the possibilities of robots gone amok and threatening human life while dismissing singularity. http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol ... 736130.ece



yhe i heard about & read some news reports on this at the time.


They talked about putting a kill switch in all Artificial Intelligence & robot life forms.


It sounds like a good idea but how will it stop my smart toaster & intelligent fridge from going postal.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jvqPvDUEW8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqz2rejJS6M
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Postby Wing-Zero » Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:25 am

Well, if those robots turn out to be anything like HAL... they'll just disable it.

Or they'll pull a Skynet and launch a bunch of nukes before we can kick the plug out of the wall.
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Postby rath » Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:29 am

Wing-Zero wrote:Well, if those robots turn out to be anything like HAL... they'll just disable it.

Or they'll pull a Skynet and launch a bunch of nukes before we can kick the plug out of the wall.


Yhe ...............

& thats only if the microwave & electric can opener doesn't rise up & kill us firts,
in some sort of preemptive strike
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Postby Wing-Zero » Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:46 am

It's always the appliances you least expect.

The palm pilots will launch a coordinated airstrike with the telephones on bomb detail.
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Postby rath » Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:04 am

Wing-Zero wrote:It's always the appliances you least expect.


True that.
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Postby Tairaa » Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:25 am

Any AI that desires to destroy the world, would simply get an internet connection and since they can process things hundreds of times faster then people can, they would probably have very little trouble in destroying/disabling lots of very important infrastructure, and global communication to boot.

Can you imagine the world without the internet and cellular communication?

show up at a military intranet hub and infiltrate it as well... How many self-contained intranets are there in the military in your country?

There is an advantage in intranets over the internet, being that an allpowerful cyber being couldn't get into seperate networks as they're not connected.


Anyway, key objective for a sentient and angry being to destroy humanity would definitely be acquiring an internet connection.
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Postby Aquatank » Fri Aug 07, 2009 8:18 pm

I personally think they (the AI takeover the world fearers) are looking at it from the wrong angle, and partially because they are dissing singularity. That angle is robots become self aware and go on a rampage ala a Terminator & Matrix. That's the wrong angle IMO sure we will make robot soldiers and then robot that eat people and stuff and then robot repair bots but in the end we control the factories making singularity the implausible. Heres the problem though, the djinn is out of the bottle so it comes down some whackos purposefully starting out with singularity at the bottom and working its way upwards with designs meet needs, like a normal lifeform humans don't control anything because the whack jobs designed the system to operate without human intervention like they are clockwork gods. Can we say doomsdayweapon system?
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