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Postby Cole_Trickle » Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:34 am


One interesting document also obtained through the FOIA, is an e-mail to a list of multiple contacts (exempt from disclosure under the FOIA) which appears to be the response by the Director of Public Safety at Fort Rucker to said inquiry. His response reiterates that at 1840 hours, a call was received to assist the police, yet who the call was from initiating the event still remains a mystery to the public. This is the key to solving whether this went against federal law.


If a call was received by someone/anyone, then how can it be a mystery as to WHO placed it? My point is that someone KNOWS and they probably are not exempt for any FOIA request so that's the real reason why it's a mystery.

Whether it be Public or Private, known or unknown, common sense says that if it was legal/justified then there would in fact be no mystery about it.

Hell now wonder they can't find Bin Ladin~~they can't even track a phone call. :lol: :lol:

That's a joke! ;) SURE IT IS~~ :lol: :lol:

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Postby Cole_Trickle » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:55 am

Thks for clarification ~~~Hum is all I can say. Do some privacy concerns trump federal violations?

I think we discussed this at some length just prior to, or a month or two before you changed the board. A great decision by the way! :D Love it.

Them being on the street doesn't bother me one bit, especially if they were MP's, however the cover-up and evasiveness of the explanation is what ticks me off. Why not fess up, explain the motive and move on? The secrecy is what truly pisses people off.

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Postby Tairaa » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:10 am

The secrecy is what truly pisses people off.


YES! Absolutely!

I'm not dead against having infantry being used to take down serious gang infestations, or any other risk to public safety. I just prefer that they say that they're deploying them. Keep secret what's important to keep secret and all, but if you've got infantry running around helping the police I think that at least that much isn't a secret and should be talked about.

Kind of a touch hard to sort through motives when no one wants to admit to anything isn't it?
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:36 am

Yes agreed completely. Could prove to be a heck of a lot safer to let citizenry know that troops will be used for " WHATEVER " I, and I'm sure most anyone would welcome added protection, or just the simple presence which would be a great deterrent. I've no problem with that.

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Postby greeney2 » Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:40 am

For every one person willing to be glad they were there to help, there are just as many screaming about the legality of it all. Knitpicking something irrelevant to what the emergency was. They immediatly think its homeland security and some oppressive rechime or something diabolical. The truth is probably something like a local chief of police or mayor overwhelmed, asking a duty officer at that time of night for help. Neither of which imagined the firestorm it would create, all they knew was their was an emergency, and lives were at stake. They just wanted to do the right thing, but look what happened?

We did have a big discussion about this, and I for one was glad they were helping. I still am, give them all a medal. It got into a heated discussion, and also opened up into the Marine Corp assisting California policing a hyway for drunk drivers, near a Marine base. It was more important the federal government not be involved, at the cost of letting drunk Marines on Liberty, cause deadly wrecks on that desert road near 29 palms. Those viamently against both events, would certainly not have respected the privacy of those involved, so part of the secrecy has to protect those people if you think about it.
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:19 am

I see where you can lead yourself into a firestorm. Drunk driving is against the law, using Military for " LOCAL " is equally against the law. If local can't police, then " FIRE THEM " get someone who can, will, is/are competent. Most local LE officials don't cotton on to Federal involvement UNLESS of course there's significant DOLLARS ATTACHED or a Federal Program flying under radar has been put in place. Since my Father was retired LE Greeney, I'm well versed on how these things REALLY WORK.

My take would be dismissal at the end of the Investigation, SOMEONE MESSED UP~ however it'll be the usual footnote on the back page of the local rag. It was a test, ( IMHO ) and yes the People were paying attention.

We shoot people like that guy around these, ( ANY MANY OTHER PARTS OF THIS COUNTRY ) ESPECIALLY When it's a matter of life or death the Questions come later. Now are you gonna sit around on your butt and wait for Troops, or are you gonna do the job you signed up for?

It seems to me that John thinks it's very possible that this wasn't as presented, not legal in other words. I applaud the request!

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Postby greeney2 » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:54 am

On the surface the Marine thing may sounds like something bad, but you have to consider they had some Drunk driving deaths near Pendleton and under some public critisism they were not controling themselves. The road in question is a back road from 29 palms thru the Moreno Valley, which has several retirment communities, Yucca Valley, desert hot springs. Coechella valley cities. The Marines wound goto the indian casinos for liberty. Many of them have opened up in and near that area and Palm Springs. Than they travel this road back to the base after drinking and gambing. Some of those desert roads people drive very fast--its wide open country, but in the middle of the night, drunk and getting back to base was a problem.
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:34 pm

So you're saying that the USMC MP's were assisting local LE, or were in fact running sobriety check points, or were they merely in the area with locals and on the same radio bands so they could POLICE THEIR OWN if bagged at a check point.

In either case I think using Marines to Police other Marines in such an instance is Fine, but if they are running regular checks points where citizenry passes through then NO, not without a reasonable cause justifiable and made legal by proper request.

If I was stopped at a check point run by Military within US Borders and was subjected to anything over and above my presentation of Identity backed by 1 photo ID I'd not comply without the answers to a few questions: 1 by who's authority are you charged with this task? 2 Why is this necessary? If answered and I find it justifiable then by all means I'd comply because under that circumstance the MP's request is a legal one. I'm far too smart to but heads with an MP. My Dad didn't raise no fool!

I see both sides of it but I'm a law abiding citizen. I obey the laws but I also expect others, regardless of who they are, to do the same. It's funny that I've never had any~~NOT EVEN ONE PROBLEM with even the biggest smart assed Cop. The answer is pretty simple, I'm not afraid to engage them man to man, or man to woman, and I know the Law as well as my rights. Every Cop I've ever met seems to respect that in a civilian, not to mention that I never miss a chance to speak to them in public. Acknowledge them, thank them for the job they do and let them no when they mess up. Funny how a little respect can go a long way from a communication standpoint.

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Postby Tairaa » Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:27 pm

Knit picking? I thought this was acceptable because your constitution is complex and can be understood differently or something like that?

In MY opinion, it shouldn't be so much of a legal issue. HOWEVER, having said that I don't think that homosexual unions should be much of a legal "knit pick" session either...
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Postby greeney2 » Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:48 pm

Knitpicking something irrelevant to what the emergency was.


First, this is what I said when I said "knitpicking", and in the was when you consider the magnatude of the shooting spree at that moment, after the fact. It was a decision that someone made, when people were dying.

Knit picking? I thought this was acceptable because your constitution is complex and can be understood differently or something like that?

In MY opinion, it shouldn't be so much of a legal issue. HOWEVER, having said that I don't think that homosexual unions should be much of a legal "knit pick" session either...
Knit picking?

What does this have to do with the federal law in question, and a decision made in the height of a mass murder spree, for saving lives?
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