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Postby MonarchSmile » Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:42 am

We are the firmament, dust to dust
god being the dark energy/matter?
holding our dust together,somehow
looking to each other find god
Sufi Blessing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqVBGv2hpQ4

Carl Sagan Blessing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47EBLD-ISyc

Riane Eisler Blessing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flaT57T38zQ

The Blessings can be found all over the World

Look, Listen, Read

and think about it
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Postby MonarchSmile » Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:35 am

MonarchSmile wrote:We are the firmament, dust to dust
god being the dark energy/matter?
holding our dust together,somehow
looking to each other find god
Sufi Blessing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqVBGv2hpQ4

Carl Sagan Blessing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47EBLD-ISyc

Riane Eisler Blessing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flaT57T38zQ

The Blessings can be found all over the World

Look, Listen, Read

and think about it




SRO/Standing Room Only
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Postby Tairaa » Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:18 am

SRO!

Anyway, no one has proof of God, bottom line.
If you do, present it, it'll be world altering.

In order for it to be verifiable it has to be able to be disproved. Every scientific hypothesis and theory has a way for it to be disproved. God doesn't. So therefore you cannot possible suggest it's on Athiests to disprove something which cannot be disproved, the onus is on you.
"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."
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Postby fortwynt » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:52 am

eh...took much emphasis is placed on "proof" in this world anyway.

I say all is delusion, all is perception...there is nothing else. Sure there is, but for all intents and purposes there may as well not be.

what is "proof" besides something that satisfies the mind?

one cannot know a thing to be real or not real when one exists in the framework of that reality which they are attempting to define and verify themselves.
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Postby Tairaa » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:42 pm

Proof has nothing to do with what makes the mind happy, nothing at all.
"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."
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Postby Dark-Samus » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:32 am

Proof has nothing to do with what makes the mind happy, nothing at all.


Good answer.
Truth doesn´t control you, you control it...
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Postby MonarchSmile » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:56 am

Sorta good answer........

grab a guitar
instead of a gun :!:
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Postby fortwynt » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:34 pm

Oh you folks.

Proof most certainly does.

The mind observes a natural phenomenon, the mind says "why", tests are ran, studies are done, a conclusion is arrived at with "proof" of the "why", and the mind is satisfied.

Give me a f*cking break.

Or do you just like arguing with everything logical? Or is it just that you like arguing with me for the sake of arguing?
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Postby Tairaa » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:44 pm

Oh you folks.

Proof most certainly does.


No, it does not!

The mind observes a natural phenomenon, the mind says "why", tests are ran, studies are done, a conclusion is arrived at with "proof" of the "why", and the mind is satisfied.


Whether or not the person is satisfied with the result, the result is the result.
Oppenheimer was not satisfied with the result of the nuclear bomb, yet it is so.

Give me a f*cking break.

Or do you just like arguing with everything logical? Or is it just that you like arguing with me for the sake of arguing?


I don't argue for the sake of arguing, and your argument is hardly one that I perceive to be logical. Truth and happiness are two completely different things, just because truth CAN bring happiness does not mean that they are connected, or that is WILL bring happiness.
"George Bush says he speaks to god every day, and christians love him for it. If George Bush said he spoke to god through his hair dryer, they would think he was mad. I fail to see how the addition of a hair dryer makes it any more absurd."
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Postby fortwynt » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:49 pm

well either way, my statement was


fortwynt wrote:what is "proof" besides something that satisfies the mind?


I did not say "happy", that was your word.

and by "satisfied" i was speaking in the context of the mind being satisfied that a result was scientifically predictable and verify-able.

not satisfied in the context of "happy".
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