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Postby screamzero » Sat May 23, 2009 1:59 pm

Really? Thats very enlightening Nesltie. How reassuring to know that any form of
radical Islam really has no bearing on this. Especially for the emotionally crippled.
One would think that the clever rads would figure these poor; maligned gents would
be an easy religious propaganda target...you know, 'cause they figure they've been so
screwed by the world at large. Silly shoulder chip, huh? It's care and understanding
that will fix this. Poor fellows. How pathetic it must be to so sad as to want to
FRIGGIN' KILL; MAIM AND DESTROY hundreds of innocent people :!:
:lol:
It's metal illness...forgivable even though others die from it...bunches of others.
I would have thought that would be one of the best targets to brain wash...you
know, the criminally bent in our prison systems? ...like the frustrated youths in the
middle east? What a mental sloth I am. Jeeze, thanks for the tip. My head musta been up my ass.
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Postby Nesaie » Sat May 23, 2009 6:43 pm

No, these are poor boys who grew up in the US. They are easily manipulated and the propaganda made them go over the edge. With the exception of the schizophrenic Haitian, they've now become the poster children of "home grown terrorists". Just wait until the fascist paranoid government comes for people like me who believe in my constitution over and above illegal laws. After all, I'm a "right wing extremist" because I fall under the category of, "those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority", because my constitution says so.

http://wnd.com/images/dhs-rightwing-extremism.pdf

Since when does the American government, who has to swear an oath to uphold the Constitution, start calling us who really do believe in the Constitution, "right wing extremists"? That is anti-American!
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Postby screamzero » Sat May 23, 2009 10:27 pm

Man, they are home grown terrorists influenced by a radical thinking...can't help you not wrapping your head around that and you ain't about to plot something that insane. right?...Right?...RighT!?. :shock: Please.....................the GriP ...really.
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Postby greeney2 » Mon May 25, 2009 9:31 am

Just victims of FBI entrapment, these are really pretty nice fellows when it comes right down to it. I know lots of pretty stupid and gullable people, and not one of them has treid to buy a stinger missle. I'm sure Cole and Nasaie are right on this time. :lol: Poor ol innocents dumb asses who were entrapped into buying a missle to shoot an airliner out of the sky. :roll:
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Postby Tairaa » Mon May 25, 2009 9:56 am

The actually believed that they had been able to buy a legitimate stinger missile in the US, without anyone knowing...


I dunno... If I was to be buying high-tech arms and military grade explosives I would be damn sure they functioned properly. Good example of how NOT to run an operation. Thankfully they were (evidently) a bunch of dunce-cap-wearing SOBS.
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Postby Nesaie » Mon May 25, 2009 3:34 pm

And now...for the rest of the story:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 350389.ece

From The Sunday Times
May 24, 2009
FBI ‘lured dimwits’ into terror plot
The arrest of petty crooks over a plan to target Jews has put the use of sting operations under fire
David Williams

David Williams, one of four suspects, is walked out of FBI offices after being taken into custody
Tony Allen-Mills, New York

ON the steps of New York city hall on Friday, Michael Bloomberg, the mayor, praised the police officers and federal agents who helped disrupt an apparent terrorist plot to blow up a synagogue and shoot down military aircraft.

The mayor was flanked by more than 100 homeland security and counter-terrorist specialists, all of whom had a hand in an elaborate sting that netted four alleged Muslim extremists. Their plan, according to FBI agents, was to detonate a “fireball that would make the country gasp”.

The operation was acclaimed by New York officials for its success in averting what David Paterson, the state governor, described as “a heinous crime”.

Yet not every New Yorker was impressed by the latest in a long line of purported anti-terrorist triumphs that have supposedly averted tragedy in New York, Chicago, Toronto and several other North American cities since September 11, 2001.

“This whole operation was a foolish waste of time and money,” claimed Terence Kindlon, a defence lawyer who represented the last terror suspect to be tried in New York state. “It is almost as if the FBI cooked up the plot and found four idiots to install as defendants.”

Kindlon’s complaints were echoed by other legal experts who have repeatedly questioned the FBI’s reliance on undercover informants – known as confidential witnesses (CWs) – who lure gullible radicals into far-fetched plots that are then foiled by the agents monitoring them.

The last such plot purportedly involved an alleged attempt to blow up a fuel pipeline at John F Kennedy airport in New York in 2007; the defendants are awaiting trial in a case that depends heavily on evidence from an undercover CW.

“One question [about the synagogue case] that has to be answered is: did the informant go in and enlist people who were otherwise not considering trouble ?” said Kevin Luibrand, who represented a Muslim businessman caught up in another FBI sting three years ago. “Did the government induce someone to commit a crime?”

The other question that US security experts were debating was how much had been achieved by assigning more than 100 agents to a year-long investigation of three petty criminals and a mentally ill Haitian immigrant, none of whom had any connection with any known terrorist group. “They were all unsophisticated dimwits,” said Kindlon.

Prosecutors alleged that James Cromitie, a 44-year-old ex-convict who converted to Islam in prison, was the ringleader of a plot to bomb synagogues because, in his tape-recorded words, “I hate those f****** Jewish bastards”.

Cromitie, from Newburgh, 60 miles north of Manhattan, was said to have recruited three other Muslim converts – David Williams, 28, and Onta Williams (no relation), 32, both former Baptist American ex-convicts; and Laguerre Payen, 27, a Haitian former Catholic and paranoid schizophrenic.

This unlikely crew was said to have planned to use remotely detonated C4 explosives to bomb synagogues in the New York suburb of Riverdale; they then intended to drive north to a National Guard base near Newburgh to shoot down military aircraft with a Stinger missile supplied by a man they believed was working with Jaish-e-Mohammed, a Pakistan-based terrorist group.

That man is now understood to have been Shahed Hussain, a former New York state motel owner who became an FBI informant in 2002 to avoid deportation to Pakistan after being arrested on fraud charges. Hussain appears to have met Cromitie at a Newburgh mosque where the plot to bomb Jewish targets was hatched.

With Hussain’s help, the FBI was able to monitor every move made by Cromitie and the others. Hussain also provided the group with bogus C4 explosive and a fake Stinger missile and launcher supplied by the FBI. When the conspirators planted their dud bombs outside two Jewish targets on Wednesday night, the FBI was watching. The area was smothered with heavily armed Swat teams, the would-be bombers’ exit was blocked and agents hauled them away in handcuffs.

“Did they really need all those men in ninja suits with M16 rifles to arrest four idiots?” wondered Kindlon, a former marine sergeant whose main concern is that real terrorists may be plotting undisturbed while domestic US agencies focus on fantasists. “Somewhere, someone in Al-Qaeda must be laughing.”

Concern about the FBI’s tactics heightened after Salahuddin Mustafa Muhammad, imam at the Masjid al-Ikhlas mosque in Newburgh, revealed that when Hussain first came to the mosque and started talking about jihad (holy war) – apparently to identify radical elements for his FBI handlers – several members immediately concluded that he must be a government agent.

The FBI is known to have infiltrated mosques, and many anti-terrorist experts believe a mosque is the last place a serious Islamic terrorist would plot an attack. “Anyone with any smarts knew to stay away from [Hussain],” said Muhammad. Yet nobody will accuse Cromitie and his cohorts of being smart.
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Postby Tairaa » Mon May 25, 2009 4:08 pm

I don't doubt it. It does sounds like something that the FBI or CIA would do.

So to answer my own question:
How do you defend against something like that?
Simply by making the terrorists! That way you know when they are gunna go do there thing. ;)

Perhaps they are just getting you used to the concept of domestic terrorists?
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Postby Nesaie » Mon May 25, 2009 5:01 pm

;) Precisely SRO. You're a smart kid. :D
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Postby Tairaa » Mon May 25, 2009 7:22 pm

Well I mean in the very least the possibility is readily present.

I obviously don't know one way or the other, all I know is that I don't know, the rest I have to guess.
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Postby Cole_Trickle » Tue May 26, 2009 5:31 am

greeney2 wrote:Just victims of FBI entrapment, these are really pretty nice fellows when it comes right down to it. I know lots of pretty stupid and gullable people, and not one of them has treid to buy a stinger missle. I'm sure Cole and Nasaie are right on this time. :lol: Poor ol innocents dumb asses who were entrapped into buying a missle to shoot an airliner out of the sky. :roll:


They all have rap sheets longer than my pecker, so the innocent crap is well, just that, Crap. The point is obvious, used as tools and packaged to keep the Terrorists meme alive and well, and as for gullible, yeap~~Only those who fall for anything other than a developed news piece, put forth by the usual suspects, can be classified as truly GULLIBLE!

Hey dude shooting down a plane is really cool and I've got just the ticket outside in the trunk of my car. Wanna have a look? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dude you're surely not buying the validity of this BS, or are you? :lol: :lol:

Cole

PS. Fear the home invasion by someone seriously interested in killing, raping, and stealing. That act is 100 x's more likely, especially in your neck of da woods than c-4 and stinger acts. Now if you're scared go buy a dog. Relax~~~I'll be here all week! 8-)
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