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Postby event_horizon » Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:35 pm

humphreys wrote:Apparently, this is not the only time it was predicted that Christ's return was imminent.

Here's a partial list:

44

Theudas declared himself the Messiah, taking 400 people with him into the desert. T beheaded by Roman soldiers. Josephus records this.

53

Even before all the books of the Bible were written, there was talk that Christ's return had already taken place. The Thessalonians panicked on Paul, when they heard a rumor that the day of the Lord was at hand, and they had missed the rapture.

80

Ben Zakkai died about 80, and expected the Messiah about the time of his death

100 -200

Rabbi Eliezer ben Hyrcanus (1-2 Cent) thought the days of the Messiah would last 40 years. Before Bar Kochba the Mess. age was short; longer afterward

130

Rabbi Jose, the Galilean, a contemporary of Hyrcanus and Azariah, thought the Messiah would come in three generations (60 years), after the destruction; namely 130 (Luther Martin, Date Setters, Guardian of Truth, Sept. 15, 1994)

381

Return of Christ; Tichonus a writer of the 4th Cent (Luther Martin, Date Setters, Guardian of Truth, Sept. 15, 1994)

400

Hippolytus "calculated that 5,500 years separated Adam and Christ and that the life of the world was 6,000 six full 'days' of years until the seventh the day of rest." His calculations in 234 indicted there were still two centuries left. (from A History of the End of the World, Rubinsky and Wiseman, 1982)

400

Rabbi Dosa (2-3rd Century) said the Messiah would come at the end of 400 years. This was based (?) on Gen. 15:13 (Luther Martin, Date Setters, Guardian of Truth, Sept. 15, 1994)

435

Messiah comes; Rabbi Judah ha-Nasi (135-220) believed Messiah would come 365 years after Temple destroyed in 70 (Luther Martin, Date Setters, Guardian of Truth, Sept. 15, 1994)

470

Messiah would come; Rabbi Hanina (3rd C), though Messiah would come 400 years after Temple Destruction. (Luther Martin, Date Setters, Guardian of Truth, Sept. 15, 1994)

500

A Roman priest and theologian in the second and third centuries, predicted Christ would return in A.D. 500, based on the dimensions of Noah's ark.

500

Return of Christ; Hyppolytus (170-236) and Lactantius (250-330) said 500 would be the time for the second coming of Christ (Luther Martin, Date Setters, Guardian of Truth, Sept. 15, 1994)

950

Acrostic on the end of the world, predecessor of Celano's "Dies irae," found in a ms. from Aniane (second half of the tenth century, ed. Paulin Blanc,"Nouvelle Prose sur le Dernier Jour, Composée avec chant noté, vers l'An Mille..." Mémoires de la Société Archéologique de Montpellier, 2 (1850), 451-509, second copy located by Michel Huglo: BN lat. 1928 f.178, Fécamp c.1040).

950

"Treatise on the Antichrist" by Adso of Montier-en-Der, c.950, a response to a variety of crises at mid-century that provoked widespread apocalyptic disquiet, and rapidly become a central text in the European eschatological literature (ed. by Verhelst, CCSL, Cont. med. aeui 40; study in the context of 1000, by Verhelst, "Adso van Montier-en-Der en de angst voor het jaar Duizend," Tijdschrift voor Geschiedenis, 90 (1977), 1-10); and C. Carozzi, La fin des temps: Terreurs et prophéties au Moyen Age (Paris: Stock, 1982), pp.186-94. See below # .

950-80:

Letter on the Hungarians that speaks of widespread apocalyptic reactions among the population, Ac primum dicendum opinionem quae innumeros tam in vestra quam in nostra regione persuasit frivolam esse et nihil veri in se habere, qua putatur Deo odibilis gens Hungrorum esse Gog et Magog ceteraeque gentes quae cum eis describuntur... Dicunt enim nunc esse novissimum saeculi tempus finemque imminere mundi, et idcirco Gog et Magog esse Hungros, qui numquam antea auditi sunt, sed modo, in novissimo temporum apparuerunt. R.B.C. Huygens, "Un témoin" [n.11], p.231, lines 94-106; letter from the bishop of Auxerre to the bishop of Verdun (commentary by Huygens, p.236f). Dated variously early tenth century, or, according to Huygens, to second half of the tenth ("Un témoin de la crainte de l'an 1000: La lettre sur les Hongrois," Latomus, 15 (1956), 224-38); considered the background of Adso's treatise (see below #3).

950

In A.D. 950 Adso of Montier-en-Der wrote a "Treatise on the Antichrist" which was a response to a number of mid-century crises that had provoked widespread alarm and fear of an end-time apocalypse.(5) Five years later, Abbo of Fleury heard a preacher in Paris who announced that the Antichrist would be unleashed in the year 1000 and that the Last Judgment would soon follow.(6) At about the same time a panic occurred in the German army of Emperor Otto I because of a solar eclipse that the soldiers mistook as a sign of the end of the world.(7) And when the last Carolingian dynasty fell with the death of King Louis V in 987, many saw this event as a precursor to the arrival of the Antichrist. King Otto II of Germany had Charlemagne's body exhumed on Pentecost in the year 1000 supposedly in order to forestall the apocalypse. Both Halley's comet in A.D. 989 and a super nova in A.D. 1006 were interpreted as signs of the end. About the same time, the Moslem caliph, Al Hakim, destroyed the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem prompting apocalyptic fear in the west as well as violent anti-Jewish outbursts.(8)

964:

"Dum saeculum transit finis mundi appropinquat..." [As the saeculum (century?) passes, the end of the world approaches.] Cartulaire de Saint-Jouin-de-Marnes, pp.1, 11, 17.

965:

Abbo hears a preacher in Paris announcing the unleashing of Antichrist for 1000 AD and the Last Judgment for shortly thereafter (see below # 7, 17).

968:

Panic in Otto's army at an eclipse the soldiers took to portend the end of the world (Gesta episcoporum Leodensium, MGH SS IX, p.202)

968-9:

Annalists note in the margin of Easter tables: mille anni a nativitate Christi, based on a "misreading" of the base year in the Easter Tables as Anno passionis. Three years earlier unusual events with apocalyptic tonality (fire from heaven, release of demons) occur. (Annales de Saint Florent de Saumur, et de Vendôme, Halphen Recueil d'annales angevines, p.58 n.2, 116 n.6.) Note that, in typical capstone style, Halphen does not include the note, with its millennial consciousness in the text of his edition, nor even in a footnote to that year, but appended to a footnote for another year, and explained away as a mistake.

969 and/or 980:

widespread apocalyptic expectation in Lotharingia at the coincidence of the Annunciation and the Crucifixion agaist which Abbo writes a letter.

979:

Igneae acies visae sunt in caelo per totam noctem 5 Kalendas Novembris. Hoc anno complentur mille anni a nativitate Christi, secundum veritatem evangelii, qui secundum cyclum Dionisii anno abhinc 21 finiuntur; sicque in anno domincae passionis veritati evangelicae contraitur. Sigebert of Gembloux, Chronicon universale c.1114, PL 160 c.194 (here using Abbo's correction of the date AD; see next item).

983-4:

Abbo redates the year 1000 four years into the past (true AD 1000 = Dionysus' 979) using the apocalyptic beliefs above (#7, see also #17) as the basis of his calculations.

987-91:

The last Carolingian dynasty (the final hindrance to the arrival of Antichrist according to Adso) falls; the capture of the last potential ruler occurs under most dastardly cirumstances. Southern charters begin to date AD, with Christ reigning, a traditional interregnal formula with apocalyptic antecedants (Kantarowicz, The King's Two Bodies, p. ).

989, August:

Halley's Comet appears, cited in Annales divionenses, MGH SS V, p. ; and Annales Quedlinburgenses MGH SS III, p.68; Thietmar of Mersebourg, Chronicon IV, 10; (also Glaber III, 3? acc. to France, p.110-11, and n.4, but see below under 1006, #29); P. Moore and J. Mason, The Return of Halley's Comet (Cambridge, 1984), p.46)

989-1000:

First wave of peace councils in the South (see below).

990s:

mention of apocalyptic beliefs leading to violent seizure of church property at St. Hilaire.

990s-1010s:

Preaching of Aelfric and Wulfistan, filled with images of Last Judgment, explicity linked at points to the year 1000 and the unleashing of Antichrist (Gatch, Milton McC., Preaching and Theology in Anglo-Saxon England: Aelfric and Wulfstan (Toronto, U. Press, 1977).

992:

Coincidence of Crucifixion and Annunciation; Nouaillé begins its charters for the next decade with "Appropinquante finem mundi..."; Adso, an old man, leaves on a one-way pilgrimage to Jerusalem; German chronicles report light from north at dawn like the sun, rumor among many that 3 suns, 3 moons and stars were fighting, indicating heavy mortality and famine (Thietmar IV, 19; An. Quedl. ad an. 993, MGH SS III, 69; Annales Augustani, ibid. p.124).

994-1000:

Outbreaks of sacer ignis throughout France, associated in Limoges with the Peace of God.

994-5:

various signs (including a monstrous child), famines, plagues and mortality in Saxony, referred to as the biblical "tria iudicia pessima" (Annales Quedlinburgenses, MGH SS, III p.94; also Thietmar IV, 17; Annales Augustani, MGH SS III, 124).

994-6:

De fine quoque mundi coram populo sermonem in Ecclesia Parisiorum adolescentulus audivi, quod statim finito mille annorum numero Antichristus adveniret, et non longo post tempore universale iudicium succederet: cui praedicationi ex Evangeliis ac Apocalypsi et libro Danielis, qua potui virtute, resistiti. Denique et errorem qui de fine mundi inolevit abbas meus beatae memoriae Richardus sagaci animo propulit, post quam litteras a Lothariensibus accepit, quibus me respondere iussit; Nam fama pene totum mundum impleverat, quod, quando Annuntiatio Dominica in Parasceve contigisset absque ullo scrupulo finis saeculi esset. De initio etiam Adventus qui ante Nativitatem Domini per singulos annos agitur, aliquando error gravissimus extitit, aliis inchoantibus post v. Kalendas Decembris aliis ante, cum numquam plus quatuor ebdomadas, saltem unam diem Adventus habeat; cumque de huiusmodi diversitate soleant contempiones in Ecclesia crescere, concilio determinandum est, ut omnes qui in ea viviumus unum sapiamuis quod vestra industria CONCEDAT qui nos unanimes VULT HABERE IN DOMO SUA." Abbo of Fleury, Apologeticus ad hugonem et rodbertum reges francorum, London, BM 10972, f.22v; PL 139 c.471-2; dated before 996 by Vidier (p.105- 7); 994-5 by Mostert (p.48-51). Concerning the end of the world, as a youth (adolescentulus) I heard a sermon in a [the?] church in Paris that as soon as the number of a thousand years should come, the Antichrist would come, and not long thereafter, the Last Judgment would follow; which preaching I resisted with all my strength from the Evangels and the Apocalypse and the book of Daniel.

994-999:

Otto III engages in elaborate program of renovatio imperii romani that, from the apocalyptic scenario, would reaffirm the existence of the "barrier" to Antichrist, particulary important given the demise of the last of the Carolingians in the previous decade (see above # 3, 9). In this he recapitulated many of Charlemagne's responses to the coming of the year 6000 (see below # 14, 17).

999

"Iste fuit Girbertus, tempore cuius inpletus est annus millesimus ab incarnatione Domini." Annales Pragenses ad an. 999, MGH SS III, 120.

1000

This year goes down as one of the most pronounced states of hysteria over the return of Christ. All members of society seemed affected by the prediction that Jesus was coming back on Jan 1, 1000 AD. There really weren't any of the events required by the Bible transpiring at that time. The magical number 1000 was primarily the sole reason for the expectation. During December 999 AD, everyone was on their best behavior; worldly goods were sold and given to the poor, swarms of pilgrims headed east to meet the Lord at Jerusalem, buildings went unrepaired, crops were left unplanted, and criminals were set free from jails. The year 999 AD turned into 1000 AD and nothing happened.

1000

Annales Elnonenses, ad an. 1000; MGH SS V, p.12; contemporary hand; noted in mid-11th century by the Annales Laubienses and Leodinienses, MGH SS 5, 18. Anno dominicae incarnationis 1000, ind. 13. epacta 12. concurrente 1. termino pascali 9. Kal. Apr. 4 Kal Apr. feria 6, celebrantibvus christicolis sacrosanctae passionis ac redemtionis illius misterium, terraemotus magnus factus est, non ita ut pepe accidere solet, vento in benas terrae condito, ubi concava terrarum viscera his motibus subiacent veluti venti capacia; sed generali et vasto tremore totius obrbis magnitudo passim contremuit, ut cunctis fieret manifestum, quod ore veritatis fuerat ante promissum. His namque et aliis signis quae praenuntiata fuerunt opere completis, hinc iam fit nostra spes certior omni visu, de his quae restant ordine complendis.

1000

Otto returns to Aachen where he exumes Charlemagne's body on Pentecost of the year 1000.

1000

Gerbert/Sylvester and Otto III carry out an unusual procession on August 15, 1000: "In assumptione sancte Mariae nocte quando tabula portatur" (Bamberger manuscript from 1067 published in Giesebrecht, Geschichte der Deutchen Kaiserzeit II, Documents; also see Lausser, Gerbert, p.325; Molinier II, Mabillon II, 226, 334; Histoire littéraire XIII, 600;

1000

Outbreak of heresies in France, Italy, south-west Mediterranean that Glaber interprets as the unleashing of Satan according to Revelations (Historiarum, II, 22-23; ed. France, p.88-93).

1000

All the references, still poorly known, from computist texts that privilege the year 1000, which, coming in the middle of a 19 year cycle (988 1006) should neither begin nor end any Easter table: cf. Vat.reg.lat.1127 f.10v, from 920 to "MILLE"; St. Gall 902, 817-999; St. Gall 387, 1001-1129.

1000

"Tertio Ottone imperante. Millesimus annus supercrescens statute computationis numerum, secundum illud quod legitur scriptum: Millesimus exsuperat et transcendit omnia annus." Annales Hildesheimenses III, Préface (MGH SS III, ), written c.1040.

1000

"Interea millesimus ab incarnatione Domini annus feliciter impletus est et hic est annus archiepiscopi 12." Adam of Bremen, Gesta Hammaburgensis ecclesiae pontificum (II, xl; MGH SS 7.320) late eleventh century.3

1000

"Data mense augusto, regnante Rotberto rege, anni ab Incarnatione Domni nostri Jesu Christi usque in presentem diem mille et I." (Charter of Saint- Hilaire of Poitiers, ed. Redet, #67, p.76).

1000

references to 1000 taken from Sigebert in later medieval chroniclers: see the collection in Bouquet, Historiens des Gaules de de la France, 10.xcix, 28de, 28de,197b, 205b, 217c, 271c, 282a, 290b, 291a, 299c, 319b.

1000

Five reasons why 1000AD was not a significant date:

People did not even know the date -- peasants had no notion of chronological time, elites used a variety of systems and even those using AD disagreed.
There are no theological reasons for 1000 to have eschatological significance.
There is almost no surviving evidence of any apocalyptic terrors from the period.
The little that survives is not directly related to 1000, but to dates such as 968, 1010 and 1033.
Therefore we should not be surprised to find 1000 was a "year like any other" in which the normal train of medieval life -- wars, councils, ploughing, and praying -- went on in uninterrupted flow.
The utter absence of documentation attesting to apocalyptic beliefs and movements is, in this view, decisive proof. How can one possibly argue that a whole generation is obsessed with something about which they do not talk? by Richard Landes

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1002,

December: aparuit in aere portentum mirabile, species uidelict seu ipsa moles immensi draconis a septemtrionali plaga egrediens cum nimia coruscatione petebat austrum. Quod prodigium pene homines uniuersos qui uidere infra Gallias terruit. (Glaber, Historiarum 2.8.15; France p. 78, with further references in Chronicon sci petri vivi, p.107 n.7; Hugh of Flavigny, p.368; cf. St. Arnulf (Geary, Phantoms); ipse vero anno antequam moreretur, multa prodigia in caelo visa sunt. nam quadam die 19 kal. ian., circa horam 9 quasi quedam facula ardens viso celo cum longo tractu instar fulguris terris delabitur, tanto sane splendore ut non modo qui foras in agris, verumetiam in tectis erupto per quaeque patentia lumine, occuli ferirentur. ipsa vero caeli fissura dum elementis in se invicem propinquantibus sensim evanesceret, interim, mirabile dictu, quasi in similitudine serpentis, crescente quidem capite cum cerruleis pedibus visa est figurare. et hoc non sine grande admiratione multis spectantibus paulo post his parvit... ipso etiam anno cometae apperuerunt. imperator contra romanos... obiit." Gesta episcoporum Cameracensium 1.114; MGH SS 7.451.

1003

According to Glaber Europe covers self in white mantle of Churches (Historiarum III, 4; ed. France, p.114-17)

1003:

Annales de Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire, [= 1000 + 3,5 years of Antichrist] (BN lat. 5543, f.22; ed. MGH SS II, p.255; PL 139 col.583, cf. Augustin, De civ. Dei, XX, 13. See also Miracula s. Benedicti, III, 9; ed. de Certain, p.150-53. Note that this text is evidence of how little impact Abbo's efforts to correct Dionysus Exiguus (above #10) was: even his own disciples ignored his proposed calculations.

1004:

Post salutiferum intemerate virginis partum millenarii numeri linea consummata et in quinto cardinalis ordinis loco et in eiusdem quarte ebdomade inicio clarum mane illuxit seculo (Thietmar de Meersebourg, Chronicon VI, 1; ed. Holtzmann and Trillmich, p.243 and n.7). cf: "Nempe haec assidue. Iam clarum mane fenestras intrat et augustus extendit lumine rimas." (A Persius Flaccus, Satires III, 1)

1005-1006:

Terrible famine throughout Europe, associated with apocalyptic portents in several texts: Annales Sangallienses by Hepidannus "Ecce fames qua per secla non saevior ulla" (MGH SS 1.81); Annales Leodinienses and Laubienses, MGH SS IV, p.18; Annales Quedlinbourgenses ad an. 1009 MGH SS 3.80; Annales Hildesheimenses, ad an.1006); Glaber, Quinque libri, 2.9 (5 years ca. 1001-1006); Hugh of Flavigny (based on Glaber); Chronicon Turonensis ad an. 1006; Sigebert of Gembloux ad an. 1006);

1006,

May: New star sighted in heavens (Super Nova of 1006), at same time a chapelain of the Emperor converts to Judaism (Albert of Metz, De diversitate temporum, I, 6-7; II, 22-3 ed. MGH SS IV, p.704, 720-3; Annales Leodinienses and Laubienses, MGH SS IV, p.18; Annales Mosomagenses, MGH SS 3.161; Annales Beneventani, ibid., p.177; probably Radulphus Glaber Quinque libri 3.3.9; Chronicon Venetum, MGH SS 7.36). B. Goldstein, "The Supernova of A.D. 1006," The Astronomical Journal 70 (1965): 105-111.

1009-10:

Destruction in Jerusalem of Holy Sepulchre by the chiliastic Moslem caliph Al Hakim, apocalyptic reaction in West including violent anti- Jewish outbursts (Glaber, Ademar, Annales Lemovicenses, ad an. 1010; Annales Beneventani, ad an. 1010, MGH SS III, p.177;

1009

Rain of blood; sun turns red and fails to shine for three days; plague and death follow (Annales Quedlinbourgenses ad an. 1009 MGH SS 3.80).4

1010:

Brythfird commentaries note that the 1000 years of the Apocalypse are completed according to human calculations, therefore supporting Augustine's allegorical reading

1011-1012:

apocalyptic vision of monk at St-Vaast recorded by Richard of Saint-Vanne (Hugh of Fleury, MGH SS 8.***)

1012-1014:

Various prodigies and natural disasters provoke the expulsion of the Jews from Mainz and lead some to believe that the world was "returning to its original chaos." (Annales Quedlinburgenses, MGH SS, III p.82-3.

1018:

Pre-dawn panic and trampling at St. Martial followed by outbreak of heresy throughout the south, seen as agents of Antichrist by Ademar of Chabannes (Historia 3.**, ; see below II-8).first third eleventh century: Heribert the monk reports a heresy from the Perigord, apocalyptic tone to the letter (see Head and Landes, Peace of God, pp. 347-50)

1022:

Burning of heretics at Orléans, described in several texts in apocalyptic tones (John of Ripoll, Ademar of Chabannes, Radulphus Glaber; cf. I Corinthians)

1024?:

Letter from heaven calling for Peace Councils circulates throughtout Northern France (Gesta episcoporum cameracensium, II, 52; MGH SS V, p. .)

1025:

Radulphus Glaber begins a world history that, under the guidance of William of Volpiano, explicitly makes the year 1000 the focal point: "Ipsius namque imperio maxima iam ex parte eventuum ac prodigiorum, quae circa et infra Incarnati Salvatoris annum contigere millesimum, descripseram." (Vita Willelmi Divionensis of Radulphus Glaber, 28; ed., PL 142, col. 718; Niethard Bulst, Deutsches Archiv, 30 (1974), p.485; France, p.294-7).

1025:

Adémar de Chabannes begins a world history whose major theme from 1010 on is apocalyptic signs and prodigies (Historia 3.46-7, 49, 52, 56, 59, 62; see Landes, Relics, chap. 6).

1026-7:

Large collective pilgrimage to Jerusalem led by Richard of St. Vaast.

1028:

Rain of Blood (classic apocalyptic sign) on the Aquitanian shore provokes letters from William V to Robert, Robert to Gauzlin of Bourges and Fulbert of Chartres on their opinion (correspondance of latter two in Bautier Vita Gauzlini, p.159-67; see treatment in Fried, "Endzeiterwartung," pp.385-87)

1029-32:

Ademar of Chabannes produces some 500 folios of historical fiction in which apocalyptic themes play a major role.

1030-33:

terrible famine throughout France (Glaber, Ademar, et al.)

1030-46:

Mention of heresies throughout Christendom (Italy, Gaul, Greece, Hungary) by Gerard, bishop of Csanád (Deliberatio supra hymnum trium puerorum, IV, ll.447-75 (associated in his commentary with Revelation 19:17- 21 (ll. 489ff); ed. G. Silagi, CCSL Cont. med. aeui, 49, pp.50-1; cf. also VI, ll.704ff, where similar anti-ecclesiastical phenomena are associated with Revelation 20:7; ed. p.96f).

1031-3:

wave of peace councils throughout France, starting in Aquitaine (documents from Vich, Poitiers, Limoges, Burgundy, Arras?), associated with millennium of Passion by Glaber IV, 4.

1033

This year was sighted as the beginning of the millennium because it marked 1000 years since Christ's crucifixion.

1033 -36

Deacon of Orleans leaves for Jerusalem on pilgrimage out of apocalyptic expectations.

1033:

prodigies, eclipse, ignis ardentium, massive earthquake etc. leads to penitential procession in Jouarre-Rebais, dated millennium of the Passion, Miracles de Saint-Ayeul (Miracula sancti agili abbatis, 1, 3; AA SS Août VI, p.588);

1033:

Mass pilgrimage to Jerusalem noted in Ademar and Glaber (who associates it with apocalyptic expectation)

1114

Sigebert of Gembloux, Chronicon universale c.1114, PL 160.198; MGH SS 6.353-4 Anno Jesu Christi millesimo secundum supputationem Dionisii multa prodigia visa sunt. Terraemotus factus est permaximus; cometes apparuit; 19 Kalendas Januarii circa horam 9 fisso caelo quasi facula ardens cum longo tractu instar fulguris illabitur terris, tanto splendore, ut non modo qui in agris erant, sed etiam in tectis, irrupto lumine ferirentur. Qua caeli fissura sensim evanescente, interim visa est figura quasi serpentis, capite quidem crescente, cum ceruleis pedibus.

1135-1202

The Calabrian monk, Joachim of Fiore (ca. A.D. 1135 1202) stands out as a key figure in medieval apocalypticism. On Easter Sunday in 1183 he was inspired to write his massive Exposition on Revelation. Later near the end of his life, he summarized his prophetic knowledge in the Book of Figures. His writings influenced a wide range of medieval events. The Franciscan order was founded on the basis that they would be the spiritual elite described in Joachim's "Age of the Spirit," a future time when God would send revelation directly to believers. Using Joachim's hints, writers concluded that the "Age of Grace" would end and the "Age of the Spirit" would begin in A.D. 1260. This prophecy, mixed with German social unrest, created a myth surrounding Frederick II. Having ruled from 1220 to 1250, many believed that Frederick was the "Emperor of the Last Days" who would usher in the new Millennium.The myth gained force when Frederick seized Jerusalem in 1229. When he died in 1250, a new myth started that Frederick would return from the dead. Two pseudo-Fredericks were burned at the stake by his successor to the throne. The Book of a Hundred Chapters stated that the returned Frederick would lead a fight against corruption in the state and the church, and that he will instruct his followers to "Go on hitting them" (referring to the Pope and his students) and to "Kill every one of them!" (Paul Boyer, When Time Shall Be No More: Prophecy Belief in Modern American Culture, Cambridge, Mass.: The Belknap Press, Harvard University, 1992, p. 53-55)

1186

The "Letter of Toledo" warned everyone to hide in the caves and mountains. The world would be destroyed and only a few would be spared.

1415

The Taborites, founded in A.D. 1415, also looked back to Joachim for their prophetic beliefs. They believed that once their persecutors were defeated, Christ would return and rule the world from Mount Tabor, a mountain they had renamed south of Prague. Their communal activities eventually turned bloody, prompted by tracts with lines like, "Accursed be the man who withholds his sword from shedding the blood of the enemies of Christ." (Paul Boyer, When Time Shall Be No More: Prophecy Belief in Modern American Culture, Cambridge, Mass.: The Belknap Press, Harvard University, 1992, p. 53-55) After a crushing defeat at the hands of the German army, the group quickly disbanded. Although all of these prophecies were misguided, it would be a mistake to doubt the sincerity of the individuals. However, the events surrounding the end of the first millennium should temper our desire to make predictions about the coming new millennium. Next, we will look at more recent predictions that have been just as wrong.

1420

The Taborites of Czechoslovakia predicted every city would be annihilated by fire. Only five mountain strongholds would be saved.

1524-1526

Muntzer, a leader of German peasants, announced that the return of Christ was near. After he and his men destroyed the high and mighty, the Lord would return. This belief led to an uneven battle with government troops where he was strategically out-numbered. Muntzer claimed to have a vision from God where the Lord promised that He would catch the cannon balls of the enemy in the sleeves of His cloak. The vision turned out to be false when Muntzer and his followers were mowed down by cannon fire.

1533

Beginning of the Millennium, Anabaptists (Luther Martin, Date Setters, Guardian of Truth, Sept. 15, 1994)

1533

Christ's Coming and Judgment at 8:00 AM October 19, 1533; Michael Stiefel (1486-1567) Acq. with Martin Luther, and taken into Luther's home when he had not given away all possessions. (Luther Martin, Date Setters, Guardian of Truth, Sept. 15, 1994)

1533

End of the world, preceded by 3-1/2 years of apocalyptic tribulation. (Melchoir Hoffman, from S German Imperial Free City of Schwabish Hall.) Associated with Srousbourg Anabaptists, some called Melchoirites Emphasized "inner" word to "outer" written word (Gary K. Waite "David Joris and Dutch Anabaptism 1524-1543" Wilfrid Laurier University Press (Waterloo, Ontario), 1990.)

1534

A repeat of the Muntzer affair occurred a few years late. This time Jan Matthys took over the city of Munster. The City was to be the only one spared destruction. The inhabitants of Munster, chased out by Matthys and his men, regrouped and lay siege to the city. Within a year everyone in the city was dead.

1534

Easter: April 5, 1534 Return of Christ; Jan Mattijs, a "prophet" replacing Melchoir Hoffman (see 1533) who was imprisoned. Claimed Munster, not Strasbourg was the New Jerusalem; later Amsterdam. (Gary K. Waite "David Joris and Dutch Anabaptism 1524-1543" Wilfrid Laurier University Press (Waterloo, Ontario), 1990.)

1572

Benedictus Aretius of Berne (1505-1547) calculated that 1260 years added to the year Constantine made Christianity the official religion (312+1260=1572) should be the year. (Luther Martin, Date Setters, Guardian of Truth, Sept. 15, 1994)

1621

Soon after 1621; Sir Henry Finch; (Book: The World's Great Restauration or The Calling of the Jews) Peter Toon noted that 80 books were published in England by 1649

1650-1660

The Fifth Monarchy Men looked for Jesus to establish a theocracy. They took up arms and tried to seize England by force. The movement died when the British monarchy was restored in 1660.

1656

Conversion and Return of the Jews; Mary Cary; mentioned in Armageddon Now! by Dwight Wilson

1656

End of the World; Christopher Columbus; Book: Book of Prophecies (99 Reasons Why No One Knows When Christ Will Return, by B J Oropeza, Foreward by Hank Hanegraaff, IVP publishing, 1994)

1666

To the citizens of London, 1666 was not a banner year. A bubonic plague outbreak killed 100,000 and the Great Fire of London struck the same year. The world seemed at an end to most Londoners. The fact that the year ended with the Beast's number (666), didn't help matters either.

1666

generated much discussion as it was 1000 + 666 (Luther Martin, Date Setters, Guardian of Truth, Sept. 15, 1994)

1715

Christ's coming; Isaac Newton, a note in his research on the Law of Gravity (Luther Martin, Date Setters, Guardian of Truth, Sept. 15, 1994)

1715

Coming of Christ; William Whiston, who succeeded Newton as the Professor of Mathematics at Cambridge; also trans. Josephus removed from his professorship (Luther Martin, Date Setters, Guardian of Truth, Sept. 15, 1994)

1809

Mary Bateman, who specialized in fortune telling, had a magic chicken that laid eggs with end time messages on them. One message said that Christ was coming. The uproar she created ended when she was caught forcing an egg into the hen's oviduct by an unannounced visitor. Mary later was hanged for poisoning a wealthy client.

1814

Spiritualist Joanna Southcott made the startling claim that she, by virgin birth, would produce the second Jesus Christ. Her abdomen began to swell and so did the crowds of people around her. The time for the birth came and passed - she died soon after. An autopsy revealed it had been a false pregnancy.

1836

John Wesley wrote that "the time, times and half a time" of Revelation 12:14 were 1058­1836, "when Christ should come" (apud A. M. Morris, The Prophecies Unveiled, p. 361)

1836

Millenium begins; John Wesley, founder of Methodism; see 1836, J A Bengel (Luther Martin, Date Setters, Guardian of Truth, Sept. 15, 1994)

1836

Millennium begins; Johann Albrecht Bengel (1687-1752) divided 666 by 42 (months) and came outh that each month = 15-6/7 years. Came up with date using this formula (Luther Martin, Date Setters, Guardian of Truth, Sept. 15, 1994)

1843-1844

William Miller was the founder of an end-times movement that was so prominent it received its own name-- Millerism. From his studies of the Bible, Miller determined that the second coming would happen sometime between 1843-1844. A spectacular meteor shower in 1833 gave the movement a good push forward. The build up of anticipation continued until March 21, 1844, when Miller's one year time table ran out. Some followers set another date of Oct 22, 1844. This too failed, collapsing the movement. One follower described the days after the failed predictions, "The world made merry over the old Prophet's predicament. The taunts and jeers of the 'scoffers' were well-nigh unbearable."

1859

Rev Thomas Parker, a Massachusetts Minister, looked for the millennium to start about 1859.

1874

invisible return of Christ; Original position of the Watchtower. Then Charles Taze Russell predicted the Rapture in 1910, followed by End of the World in 1914--later interpreted as invisible return of Christ. (99 Reasons Why No One Knows When Christ Will Return, by B J Oropeza, Foreward by Hank Hanegraaff, IVP publishing, 1994)

1881

Someone called Mother Shipton 400 years earlier claimed the world would end in 1881. A controversy hangs over the Shipton writings, as to whether or not publishers doctored the text. If the date was wrong, should it matter anyway?

1910

The revisit of Haley's comet was, for many, an indication of the Lord's second coming. The earth actually passed through the gaseous tail of the comet. One enterprising man sold comet pills to people for protection against the effects of the toxic gases.

1914

was one of the more important estimates of the start of the war of Armageddon by the Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society). They computed 1914 from prophecy in the book of Daniel, Chapter 4. The writings referred to "seven times". The WTS interpreted each "time" as equal to 360 days, giving a total of 2520 days. This was further interpreted as representing 2520 years, measured from the starting date of 607 BCE. This gave 1914 as the target date.

1914

Charles Russell, after being exposed to the teachings of William Miller, founded his own organization - the Jehovah's Witnesses. In 1914 Russell predicted the return of Jesus Christ.

1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, 1941, 1975 and 1994

Jw's: Here are other dates that the Watchtower Society predicted. 1975 looked likely as it was computed as the 6000th anniversary of the creation of Adam in the Garden of Eden in 4026 BCE. They interpreted Psalms 90:10 as defining the length of a generation to be 80 years. Since 1914 plus 80 equals 1994, they predicted Armageddon would occur around that year. The latest estimate was 6000 years after the creation of Eve, for which no date can be determined with any accuracy.

1914

End of World; Charles T. Russel, Jehovah's Witnesses; later explained that Michael (ie Jesus) had defeated Satan in heaven

1914

; Jesus invisible and quiet return to the Earth. (Jehovah's Witnesses, Book: This Means Everlasting Life, page 221) "So A.D. 1914 marks the time of Christ's invisible return in spirit." Explained after they said he would return in 1914

1917

Nov. 1917, rebirth of God's people Israel and awakening of Russia

1918

In 1918, new math didn't help the Jehovah's Witnesses from striking out again.

1920

NO DATE ON BOOKLET early this century, periods after names and sections. Franklin Ferguson of New Zealand Booklet: The Lord is Coming (23rd Ed.) "Our Lord's long-promised Return appears to be at hand....We are not warranted in giving a date...we find the startling truth that everything predicted is now abundantly evident." (inside cover)

1925

The Witnesses had no better luck in 1925. They already possessed the title of most wrong predictions. They would expand upon it in the years to come.

1953-AUG:

David Davidson wrote a book titled "The Great Pyramid, Its Divine Message". In it, he predicted that the world would end in 1953-AUG.

1957-APR:

The Watchtower magazine, quoted (1) a pastor from California, Mihran Ask, as saying in 1957-JAN that "Sometime between April 16 and 23, 1957, Armageddon will sweep the world! Millions of persons will perish in its flames and the land will be scorched.'

1960:

Piazzi Smyth, a past astronomer royal of Scotland, wrote a book circa 1860 titled "Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid." It was responsible for spreading the belief in pyramidology throughout the world. This is the belief that secrets are hidden in the dimensions of the great pyramids. He concluded from his research that the millennium would start before the end of 1960.

1967

When the city of Jerusalem was reclaimed by the Jews in 1967, prophecy watchers declared that the "Time of the Gentiles" had come to an end.

1970's

This 1970's tract says: "very likely going to happen in the very near future" Ron Reese



1970's:

The late Moses David (formerly David Berg) was the founder of the Christian religious group, The Children of God. He predicted that a comet would hit the earth, probably in the mid 1970's and destroy all life in the United States.

1970

The True Light Church of Christ made its claim to fame by incorrectly forecasting the return of Jesus. A number of church members had quit their livelihoods ahead of the promised advent.

1973

A comet that turned out to be a visual disappointment, nonetheless, compelled one preacher to announce that it would be a sign of the Lord's return.

1975

The Jehovah's Witnesses were back at it in 1975. The failure of the forecast did not affect the growth of the movement. The Watchtower magazine, a major Witness periodical, has over 13 million subscribers.

1975

Armageddon, 1975; Jehovah's Witnesses; (Various publication, cited in Newsweek Oct. 15, 1984)

1977

We all remember the killer bee scare of the late 70's. One prophecy prognosticator linked the bees to Rev 9:3-12. After twenty years of progression and the bees are still in Texas, I'm beginning to think of them as the killer snails.

1979

Sept. 10, 1979; Walter M. Simmons; (Booklet: The Day of the Lord, 1978, The final warning sign: June 28, 1967) "Therefore, adding the 12 years, 75 days to the June 28, 1967 date ends on September 10, 1979." (p. 24).

1981

Lindsey boldly declared that "The Rapture" would occur before Dec. 31, 1981, based on Christian prophesy, astronomy and a dash of ecological fatalism. He pegged the date to Jesus' promised to return to Earth a generation after Israel's rebirth. He also made references to the "Jupiter Effect," a planetary alignment that occurs every 179 years, that would supposedly lead to earthquakes and nuclear plant meltdowns.

1981

Rapture June 28, 1981; Bill Maupin & The Lighthouse Gospel Tract Foundation, Tucson. Figured a miscalculation; changed to Aug. 7, 1981; Return of Christ to occur May 14, 1988; based on Founding State of Israel, May 15, 1948 (Gary DeMar, The Debate Over Christian Reconstruction, Ft. Worth: Dominion Press, 1988.)

1982

It was all going to end in 1982, when the planets lined up and created magnetic forces that would bring Armageddon to the earth.



"Scientists are forecasting that soon our solar system will experience some unique and sobering events. This forecast concerning 1982 comes from the scientific investigations of astronomers and is in no way related to astrology and fortune telling. The news is quoted from the September 16, 1974 edition of "Newsweek" magazine, science section. These are the conclusions of John Gribbin, science editor of "Nature" magazine, and of Stephen Plagemann of NASA's Goddard Space Center in Maryland. These reputable scientists are pointing out that in the latter part of 1982 there will take place an event unique in our solar system. At that time all nine planets will be on the same side of the sun. That happens once every 179 years, but in 1982 the nine planets will not only be on the same side of the sun, but in perfect alignment. "Newsweek" referred to this situation as "An Apocalyptic Prediction:' In the book that these men have co-authored, "The Jupiter Effect", they point out that, just as the moon affects earth tides by its gravitational pull, so do the planets affect each other, and particularly Jupiter, because of its great size. This has been linked to the earthquake frequency on our planet earth. What will happen when all the planets come into one line and exert a united gravitational pull on our earth? These scientists speak of eight probable effects: 1) A disturbed magnetic activity in the sun, producing huge firestorms; 2) That the ionosphere of earth will be changed; 3) That radio and television communications will be disrupted; 4) That there will be weird lighting effects from aurora borealis; 5) There will be vast changes in wind patterns; 6) Rainfall and temperature patterns will change; 7) Earth's rotation, and the length of the days may change; 8) Many earthquakes will occur. "There will be many earthquakes, large and small... and one region where one of the greatest fault systems lies today, under great strain, long overdue for a giant leap forward, and just waiting for the necessary kick, is California." This is the frightening, apocalyptic vision of the scientists as quoted in "Newsweek." (Evangelical Tract Distributors, Edmonton, Alta., Canada)"

more to come...


You'd think that after 2,000 years and hundreds of failed predictions, these idiots would finally come to their senses and keep their traps shut. But nope...every Joe Shmoe wants to be a "prophet" -- because one of these days somebody might just get lucky and hit the jackpot, and become famous in the history books. :problem:
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Postby OraProNobis » Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:49 pm

Event_horizon wrote;
Uhhhh....no. The only "apparition" I said was a hologram was the pink elephant I had in the shed. In fact I didn't even call it an "apparition," and it was a joke of course. Wow, I thought you'd at least be intelligent enough to realize that much.


Actually you alluded , or implied that these apparitions were holograms. I've looked for the post but can't seem to find it , and it really isn't worth wasting search time on.

I'm so sorry if I didn't catch your sarcasm and "humor" , hopefully it didn't offset all the meaningfulness you have had in your day .
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Postby OraProNobis » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:00 am

Some prayers given to Maria in the messages.

I highlighted the prayers , but reading the explanation to them beforehand is very important.

The Prayers of the "Warning"



1. Prayer for protection before the darkness, Message from November 16th, 2010

2. Prayer of the Agnostics and Atheists, Message from November 18th, 2010

3. Prayer for the conversion of the unbelievers, Message from November 21st, 2010

4. Prayer of the most hardened souls, Message from November 22nd, 2010

5. Prayers before arrival of the warning, Message from April 16th, 2011

6. Everyday prayer for encouragement, Message from May 10th, 2011

7. Everyday prayer to Jesus, Message from July 24th, 2011

8. Prayer for knowledge of the truth of these messages, Message from August 15th, 2011

9. Prayer for freeing from fear, Message from August 17th, 2011

10. Jesus asks us to bring daily a victim which is comparable with suffering, Message from August 23rd, 2011

11. Prayer for the blind souls, Message from August 30th, 2011

12.P rayer of the priest for power of the resistance, Message from October 28th, 2011

13. Prayer for the power of the Holy Spirit, Message from November 3rd, 2011

14. Prayer from God the Father, Message from November 15th, 2011

15. Attempts to introduce world currency in Europe Friday, December 9th, 2011 @ 11:28 pm

16. Cry for help of the youth to Jesus (307. Message from 8th January, 2012)

17. Jesus reveals Plenary Indulgence for total absolution(January 31st, 2012)







1. Prayer for protection before the darkness
11. Message from November 16th, 2010



All of My children must, even if it be for the love of their own families, wake up to this evil if they want to save each other. My love will keep them guided if they turn to Me now. They must never be afraid to turn and say



“Oh my Lord lead me to your kingdom and protect me from the darkness that has engulfed my soul. Hear me now Oh Sacred Heart and through your goodness let your light of love and protection shine through.”



Those of My children who say this prayer will be heard. Their pleas for salvation, for they and those whom they love, will be answered. I have, through My visionaries guided by My Blessed Mother, painstakingly tried to send warnings to the world. Many, many times my visionaries, though rejected in the beginning, were finally accepted. This time they will not be afforded the dignity of time for their messages to be heard by enough of My people.



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2. Prayer of the Agnostics and Atheists
13. Message from November 18th, 2010



Can’t you see that My word, My prophecy foretold so long ago may be the truth? Open your eyes and talk to Me once as follows


“God if you are the truth reveal to me the sign of your love. Open my heart to receive guidance. If you exist let me feel your love so I can see the truth. Pray for me now”



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3. Prayer for the conversion of the unbelievers
15. Message from November 21st, 2010



Prayer, My children, can help Me win over their souls. Say this pray for them.



“My dear lord I hold out my arms to ask you to take my beloved brother/sister into your tender arms. Bless them with your sacred blood and give them the grace needed to allow them receive the spirit of your love to lead them into eternal salvation.”



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4. Prayer of the most hardened souls
17. Messagefrom November 22nd, 2010



My heart heaves with worry and sadness when I think of My children who just refuse to accept the truth of my promise. I say, one more time, turn to Me now and talk to Me. Ask Me to come back into your heart. I will make Myself fit within your soul. I give you this promise, even for those most hardened of souls. Just one word is all you need to say. Ask me to show you My presence by saying:



“Jesus I feel lost. Open my heart to accept your love and show me the truth so that I may be saved.”



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5. Prayers before arrival of the warning
65. Message from April 16th, 2011



Tell the world this event is going to save them. Many will repent during this mystical experience. They will feel a burning sensation, not unlike that experienced by souls in purgatory. This will give them an insight as to what souls, who are not fully clean, have to go through before they can see the glorious light of Heaven. By simply accepting that this event may take place they can survive it. Turn to me and say



“Please guide me towards the light and goodness of your great mercy and forgive me for my sins”



and I will pardon you instantly. Then after The Warning you will experience a deep peace and joy in your soul.

Because of the weakness of faith among those in the world who are believers those of you who are strong in your faith have a huge responsibility now. You must pray this conversion prayer for the others.


“I urge you Jesus, in your Divine Mercy to cover those lukewarm souls with your Precious Blood so that they can be converted.”



Say this short prayer on behalf of those whom you believe need it most.



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6. Everyday Prayer for encouragement
81. Message from May 10th, 2011



My Mercy, as I have said, knows no bounds. Filled now with the Spirit of light and holiness you, all My followers everywhere, must be brave now and proclaim My word to all you come into contact with. Dismiss the scorn you may experience for it is too important now to ignore My pleas for conversion.

Hear My prayer now to give you the encouragement you need



“Fill me now Oh Lord with the gift of the Holy Spirit to carry your most Holy Word to sinners who I must help save in your name. Help me to cover them, through my prayers, with your precious blood so that they can be drawn to your Sacred Heart. Give me the gift of the Holy Spirit so that these poor souls can revel in your New Paradise.”



Say this prayer every day after you recite My Divine Mercy and you, through your allegiance to Me, will help save My children.



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7. Everyday prayer to Jesus
147. Message from July 24th, 2011



You are My beloved army and together we will rise to bring all your brothers and sisters back into their rightful glorious home again.

I love and cherish each of you children. Never forget that. When you pray to Me each day say this prayer

“Oh my precious Jesus embrace me in your arms and allow my head to rest upon your shoulders so that you can raise me up to your glorious Kingdom when the time is right. Allow your precious blood to flow over my heart that we can be united as one.”



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8. Prayer for knowledge of the truth of these messages
167. Message from August 15th, 2011



My Father calls now on all those reading these messages for the first time. You must read each message carefully. Then pray to the Holy Spirit for the grace to be able to see that these messages are of divine origin. Open your heart to receive My word. Feel Me in your soul by asking of Me the following


“Jesus if this is really you please flood my soul with the sign of your love so that I can recognise you for who you are. Do not let me be deceived by lies. Show me instead your mercy by opening my eyes to the truth and the path to your new Paradise on earth.”



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9. Prayer for freeing from fear
168. Message from August 17th, 2011



So many of My children pray for special intentions. I listen to every single one. But you must, when praying to Me for something very important to you, let go of your fears. Fear is not from Me. It is given to you by Satan as a means to torment you. Don’t you understand this? When you fear something which you feel has a grip over your life then more you fear the more the problem festers.

It is only when you stop and say to Me



“Jesus I hand you over all my concerns in this matter in confidence so that the problem is now yours to resolve according to your most Holy Will”

that your mind can be at peace.



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10. Jesus asks us to bring daily a victim which is comparable with suffering
173. Message from August 23rd, 2011



I now want to ask My followers to make one sacrifice a day akin to suffering to help me save souls in mortal sin at the point of death during The Warning. Please ask me for this gift. For those humble of heart I will also ask them to make one personal sacrifice in My Glory. For those who feel they cannot do this then I will bless you with My special graces because I know that your existing love of Me, and your prayers, are already saving the souls of your brothers and sisters.



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11. Prayer for the blind souls
180. Message from August 30th, 2011



I need all of you My followers to keep praying for the blind souls who are lost. Never give up for your prayers will be brought before the throne of My Father this week. Please recite the following



“God, the Most High, I come before your throne this week to plead for the souls of My brothers and sisters who refuse to acknowledge your existence. I urge you to fill them with your graces so that they will open their hearts to listen to your most Holy Word.”



Please chose those souls who are known to you and who do not want to know God the Father and place their names before My Father. Your gift of prayer will be rewarded with their salvation. Go now My army and prepare for the next stage in this spiritual warfare against The Evil One.



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12. Prayer of the priest for power of the resistance
234. Message from October 28th, 2011



I ask all My servants to pray hard in order to withstand the abomination which is on the way. They must pray to Me as follows



“Oh My beloved Jesus I invoke your protection and ask for your mercy to save my brothers and sisters within your church from falling victim to the Anti-Christ. Give me the graces and protect me with your armour of strength to stand up to the evil acts which may be perpetrated in your Holy Name. I beg for your mercy and pledge My allegiance to your Holy name at all times.”



Stand up My sacred servants to this evil and the beast from whose mouth these obscenities and lies will spring.



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13. Prayer for the power of the Holy Spirit
239. Message from November 3rd, 2011



Prayer is most urgent children wherever you are, whatever your religion, whatever your views. Join together and pray to the Holy Spirit for enlightenment at this time. Satan is trying to turn your backs on me, your beloved Saviour. Do not listen to the doubts and the fear he places in your hearts. He will use lies to prevent me from flooding your souls with My Divine Light. My love is so strong for you children that no matter how you ignore Me or turn your backs I will continue to call you. I will do this through the power of the Holy Spirit. You must pray for this gift by saying



“O Jesus cover me with your precious blood and fill me with the Holy Spirit so that I can discern whether these words come from you. Humble me in spirit. Receive my pleas with mercy and open my heart to the truth.”


I will respond to the most hardened of souls when they recite this prayer.

Allow me the chance to bring you towards Me so I can unite as many of My children before The Great Warning.

Remember My love for you will never extinguish no matter how much you turn a deaf ear to My urgent call for unity.



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14. Prayer from God the Father

250. Message from November the 15th, 2011



I, God the Father, call on My children from the Heavens to hear My plea when I urge you to rise immediately. Join in prayer by reciting the following



“God the Most High, in the name of your beloved Son Jesus Christ, whom you sacrificed to save us your poor children from the fires of Hell hear our prayer. May we offer our humble sacrifices and accept trials and tribulations as a means to gain the salvation of all souls during The Warning.

We plead with you to forgive sinners who find it hard to turn back and accept your merciful goodnesss to make the necessary sacrifices as you see fit to redeem them in your Holy Eyes.”




By praying to me, your heavenly Father, God the Most High, Creator of the Universe and mankind, I will hear your prayer and grant immunity for all those souls you pray for.



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15. Attempts to introduce world currency in Europe
Friday, December 9th, 2011 @ 11:28 pm



My dearly beloved daughter how I wish My children, especially those suffering in Europe under the oppression would just turn to My Father for help.

The evil group I have referred to time and time again are now moving closer in their attempts to control all my poor children in this part of the world.

They, innocent pawns in a ruthless plan to introduce a world currency in order to control the whole of Europe must pray hard now for help from God the Almighty Father.

Never give in children to the persecution which is being perpetrated behind closed doors. Pray to mitigate these circumstances. Call on God the Father, in My name his beloved Son Jesus Christ, to avert this crisis and say


“God the Father, in the name of your beloved Son Jesus Christ I beg of you to stop this abomination to control your children. Please protect all your children in these terrible times so that we may find peace and dignity to live our lives free from the Evil One.”

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16. Cry for help of the youth to Jesus
(307. Message from 8th January, 2012)
Jesus if you can hear me

Then listen to my call for help

Please help me deal with those who cause me pain

Help me to stop envy taking over my life and to stop me wishing

For things I cannot have

Instead open my heart to you dear Jesus

Help me to feel real love – your love

And to feel true peace in my heart. Amen.




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Jesus reveals Plenary Indulgence for total absolution
Tuesday, January 31st, 2012 @ 09:30 pm



They must say this prayer for seven consecutive days and they will be given the gift of total absolution and the power of the Holy Spirit


O My Jesus you are the light of the earth
You are the flame that touches all souls
Your mercy and love knows no bounds
We are not worthy of the sacrifice you made by your death on the cross
Yet we know that your love for us is greater than the love we hold for you
Grant us O Lord the gift of humility so that we are deserving of your New Kingdom
Fill us with the Holy Spirit so we can march forth and lead your army
to proclaim the truth of your Holy Word and prepare our brothers and sisters
For the Glory of Your Second Coming on earth
We honour You
We Praise You
We offer ourselves, our sorrows, our sufferings as a gift to you to save souls
We love you Jesus
Have Mercy on all your children wherever they may be.
AMEN ***




*** [To gain indulgences, whether plenary or partial, it is necessary that the faithful be in the state of grace at least at the time the indulgenced work is completed.
[N.B. Thus, one must be a Catholic in communion with the Pope, i.e. not excommunicated or in schism.]
***A plenary indulgence can be gained only once a day. In order to obtain it, the faithful must, in addition to being in the state of grace:
—have the interior disposition of complete detachment from sin, even venial sin;

—have sacramentally confessed their sins;

—receive the Holy Eucharist (it is certainly better to receive it while participating in Holy Mass, but for the indulgence only Holy Communion is required);

—pray for the intentions of the Supreme Pontiff.]"

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Postby humphreys » Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:12 am

OraProNobis wrote:But that is just your belief, and you are teaching your son to ridicule. Honestly , Humphreys, my heart would break for your little son, if he happened to find himself somewhere where others thought his beliefs were ridiculous , and began to mock him, and use sarcastic put downs to make him feel inferior and unintelligent.


I'd rather that than he be somewhere being told he's going to burn in hell for his unbelief.

OraProNobis wrote:You seem to love that little boy so much Humphreys, and you say you teach him, by not ever using corporal punishment, which I commend you for. Then please teach Him, at least, to simply ignore those who believe in God, or at least teach him to debate without sarcasm , and putdowns, and trying to respect the dignity of those he debates with.


Of course he will ignore them...if they leave him alone.

If they want a debate, or are at a place of debate like this forum, then I think ridiculous ideas should be ridiculed. If you cannot handle that, an internet discussion forum is probably not the best place to be.
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Postby OraProNobis » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:11 am


Humphreys wrote:
I'd rather that than he be somewhere being told he's going to burn in hell for his unbelief.

Of course he will ignore them...if they leave him alone.


It seems to me Humphreys that you aren't really giving your son the option of choice. You are blatantly showing him the way to ridicule others for their belief in God, and have already made up his mind for him.

Have you ever once said to your Son, "well son, I don't believe that there is a God, but you could ask Him if he exists, and humbly ask Him to show you, and if He is real, maybe He will give you some sort of sign."

My guess is most likely not . The Lord knows what is happening in your family Humphreys. He sees all souls and can read all hearts. He knows much much more than we could possibly even guess at from this end.

Do you have the courage to give your Son a prayer, and let him find out from his own little heart if their is a God ?

Someday, when he comes to realize the truth, will he have respect for the earthly father who taught him to ridicule the belief in his creator and redeemer ?

Your son will be given even more special graces at his hour of death to see the truth, if he is not beforehand , because our Father in heaven knows he has been blocked from receiving the truth in his earthly youth, by those who were his guardians.

Here is prayer given by Jesus to maria in these messages. If you are so sure there is not a God, I encourage you to let your son find out that truth you profess for himself, and give him this prayer to pray. Tell him to pray it SINCERELY from his heart. You should not have any problems with that , if you are so certain it will not be answered.

here is a the prayer.

“God if you are the truth reveal to me the sign of your love. Open my heart to receive guidance. If you exist let me feel your love so I can see the truth. Pray for me now”

Your family and especially the children are in my prayers Humphreys.
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Postby humphreys » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:18 am

OraProNobis wrote:It seems to me Humphreys that you aren't really giving your son the option of choice. You are blatantly showing him the way to ridicule others for their belief in God, and have already made up his mind for him.

Have you ever once said to your Son, "well son, I don't believe that there is a God, but you could ask Him if he exists, and humbly ask Him to show you, and if He is real, maybe He will give you some sort of sign."


He is 4. I have not discussed the concept of God with him, not do I feel the need to.

I certainly will not tell him "there is no God". I will teach him freethought, critical thinking skills, not to take the word of authority as true without evidence - even me - and...well I'm going to stop there because I must have been over this a dozen times already and people still don't get it :roll:

OraProNobis wrote:Do you have the courage to give your Son a prayer, and let him find out from his own little heart if their is a God ?


Would you ask an invisible magic Unicorn to save your son's soul if you did not believe such a thing existed?

Of course not, so there you have your answer. We dislike ignorance and fantasy thinking here, we do not embrace it I'm afraid.

OraProNobis wrote:Someday, when he comes to realize the truth, will he have respect for the earthly father who taught him to ridicule the belief in his creator and redeemer ?


You are quite confused. I think you have forgotten you are talking to an atheist?
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Postby humphreys » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:21 am

I'm sorry Ora but this is getting incredibly tedious.

Asking an atheist to pray to God is not going to get you anywhere. Asking a critical thinker to ask his son to pray to God is not going to get a good response. Trying to pull at an atheist's heartstrings by appealing to God's feelings is not going to work.

What you are doing with this kind of approach is just silly, don't you get that?

I think I have made it pretty clear that I value evidence, and what kind, not faith and emotion, so I'm really baffled at what the questions you're asking.
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Postby humphreys » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:33 am

I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm starting to wish frrostedman, Halfabo and qmark would post more, maybe then we can stop bloody discussing things like my son and how I bring him up and start attempting some kind of rational discussion.

Frrostedman may have got his logic ass-backwards on an occasion or two but at least he was trying :P

All it seems to be these days is greeney trying to start off topic arguments about long gone threads and still, believe it or not, babbling on about the 50 proofs (seriously, he must be OCD), and others constantly going on about my home-life and how atheists are secret child molesters who run the world behind the scenes.

Jeesh.
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Postby greeney2 » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:45 am

Maybe you and your friend EH drove them off with your tactics and militant approach? While you tell me I'm the one who drives people away, you have done a good job yourself, and you may also add a few more names to the list, like Smokin Joe. Maybe when enough people see a lost cause you will get the message you discuss nothing, all you want to do is dictate how right you think you are. More important is trying to tell everyone they are wrong.

Not one time have you acknowledged anyones believe, or tried to understand why they believe in God.
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Postby humphreys » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:50 am

I consider myself friends with frrosted and Smoking Joe, I find it unlikely I drove them away. Unless you have evidence I drove away Halfabo or Qmark, then as usual you're just making accusations not grounded in reality.

I doubt anyone on this entire website has driven away as many people as yourself.

If you were not John's Dad, there is not a chance you would still be here, let alone as the world's worst moderator.
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