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Postby khanster » Thu May 10, 2012 1:00 am

at1with0 wrote:Khanny just has a limited view on how self-awareness would manifest in computers. :D



"Self modifying" is a necessary but insufficient property of self awareness. You need more than just self modification to define self awareness.
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Postby DIss0n80r » Thu May 10, 2012 1:55 am

Is self-modifiability really necessary for self-awareness?
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Postby khanster » Thu May 10, 2012 2:18 am

DIss0n80r wrote:Is self-modifiability really necessary for self-awareness?


Proper time is defined by the moment by moment self modifications unique to an individual.
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Postby at1with0 » Thu May 10, 2012 8:14 am

Self-modification is not a prerequisite to self-awareness.
Self-awareness is a prerequisite to self-modification.
Note that I'm saying self-awareness and not human-like sentience.
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Postby DIss0n80r » Thu May 10, 2012 4:07 pm

It appears At1 is correct. It makes more sense that one would require some form of self-awareness in order to modify oneself.

Perhaps it might only be rudimentary self-awareness but still, it's logical to assume one can only intentionally change the parts of oneself one is aware of. If one is aware of the parts, one is to some degree self-aware.
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Postby at1with0 » Thu May 10, 2012 4:13 pm

DIss0n80r wrote:It appears At1 is correct. It makes more sense that one would require some form of self-awareness in order to modify oneself.

Perhaps it might only be rudimentary self-awareness but still, it's logical to assume one can only intentionally change the parts of oneself one is aware of. If one is aware of the parts, one is to some degree self-aware.


Rudimentary yes. Like a thermometer's awareness of temperature.
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Postby DIss0n80r » Thu May 10, 2012 4:22 pm

Well, when you put it like that... :thumbdown:
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Postby at1with0 » Thu May 10, 2012 4:29 pm

Self-modifying code is aware of its code but not aware that it is aware.

http://cs.wallawalla.edu/~aabyan/Colloq ... ware2.html
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Postby DIss0n80r » Thu May 10, 2012 4:39 pm

Awareness of awareness... :think:
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Postby at1with0 » Thu May 10, 2012 5:24 pm

So self-modifying code is not automatically a Type 4 agent like us humans...maybe that is the spirit of what Khanny is suggesting about self-modifying code not having "self-awareness."
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