The Black Vault

at1with0 wrote:Khanny just has a limited view on how self-awareness would manifest in computers.

"Self modifying" is a necessary but insufficient property of self awareness. You need more than just self modification to define self awareness.

Is self-modifiability really necessary for self-awareness?

DIss0n80r wrote:Is self-modifiability really necessary for self-awareness?

Proper time is defined by the moment by moment self modifications unique to an individual.

Self-modification is not a prerequisite to self-awareness.
Self-awareness is a prerequisite to self-modification.
Note that I'm saying self-awareness and not human-like sentience.

It appears At1 is correct. It makes more sense that one would require some form of self-awareness in order to modify oneself.

Perhaps it might only be rudimentary self-awareness but still, it's logical to assume one can only intentionally change the parts of oneself one is aware of. If one is aware of the parts, one is to some degree self-aware.

DIss0n80r wrote:It appears At1 is correct. It makes more sense that one would require some form of self-awareness in order to modify oneself.

Perhaps it might only be rudimentary self-awareness but still, it's logical to assume one can only intentionally change the parts of oneself one is aware of. If one is aware of the parts, one is to some degree self-aware.

Rudimentary yes. Like a thermometer's awareness of temperature.

Well, when you put it like that...

Self-modifying code is aware of its code but not aware that it is aware.

http://cs.wallawalla.edu/~aabyan/Colloq ... ware2.html

Awareness of awareness...

So self-modifying code is not automatically a Type 4 agent like us humans...maybe that is the spirit of what Khanny is suggesting about self-modifying code not having "self-awareness."