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Postby at1with0 » Mon May 07, 2012 11:32 am

Self-modifying code is self-aware already. It needs to be in order to be able to change itself.
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Postby khanster » Mon May 07, 2012 10:24 pm

at1with0 wrote:Self-modifying code is self-aware already. It needs to be in order to be able to change itself.


You are totally BS-ing. There is no computer program that exhibits sentient self awareness. It is predicted to occur in the 2028 - 2150 time frame.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/machines-will ... range-poll

Machines will achieve human-level intelligence by 2028 (median estimate: 10% chance), by 2050 (median estimate: 50% chance), or by 2150 (median estimate: 90% chance), according to an informal poll at the Future of Humanity Institute (FHI) Winter Intelligence conference on machine intelligence in January.

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Postby DIss0n80r » Tue May 08, 2012 2:36 am

Poor man. He keeps slipping into every mirror he fashions to see.
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Postby at1with0 » Tue May 08, 2012 3:06 pm

Self-modifying entails self-awareness.
It has to be aware of what it is in order to change what it is.
Did I ever say that self-modifying code has human-like sentience?
Sentience and self-awareness are not identical.
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Postby khanster » Tue May 08, 2012 10:47 pm

at1with0 wrote:Self-modifying entails self-awareness.
It has to be aware of what it is in order to change what it is.
Did I ever say that self-modifying code has human-like sentience?
Sentience and self-awareness are not identical.


Self modifying code isn't self aware. It is only a necessary first step towards full self awareness which entails a hierarchy of levels and meta-levels.

The genome has self modifying code but it by itself is not self aware.

http://www.ronynovianto.com/publication ... reness.pdf

Most experts would not consider that a robot is really selfaware
just because it can visually recognize its own motion
or itself in a mirror since a program specifically designed to
achieve that kind of recognition without having a genuine
awareness capacity can be developed. The ability to visually
recognize one-self is not enough for achieving selfawareness.
Self-recognition can be a side-effect of selfawareness,
but not a pre-requisite. We believe a robot needs
a capability to attend to its internal states in order to be selfaware.
Current approaches as described in the previous
section do not focus on directing a robot’s attention to its
own internal processes. If we add an attention process to a
robot so that it can focus on processes that happen internally
during self-recognition activities then we would consider it
to be self-aware. What is crucially important is not the
ability to recognize itself in a mirror (e.g. a visual inverted
reflection), but rather to be aware of its own emotions,
perceptions, beliefs and intentions during the recognition
process. If a robot has totally lost all of its outward facing
sensations, it may not be aware of its environment (external
awareness), however it can still be aware of itself (selfawareness).

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Postby at1with0 » Wed May 09, 2012 8:23 am

How can code be self-modifying without being self-aware?
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Postby DIss0n80r » Wed May 09, 2012 5:30 pm

:think:
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Postby DIss0n80r » Wed May 09, 2012 5:55 pm

Perhaps such code still lacks a kind of ambiguity which may ironically define a genuinely self-reflexive gestalt... :think:
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Postby at1with0 » Wed May 09, 2012 6:42 pm

Khanny just has a limited view on how self-awareness would manifest in computers. :D
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Postby DIss0n80r » Wed May 09, 2012 11:23 pm

One of many limited views he has... :(
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